Richard Nixon, a self-less man? Ronald Reagan? I don't want turn this thread into political debate, so maybe we can take it elsewhere. But those were two horrible, greedy, corporate-pleasing, bastards.

^^ once again, just trying to start an argument... don't read into what he is saying

Well, this is a forum with banter in its title, and this is the lounge. You needn't parade your defeat in every thread you go into.

Happy birthday...hey, you're old enough to be my daddy...http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...ower/randy.gif

I am only old here and at the bars we play in, I am young everywhere else so no worries.

As far as the political banter, it's easy to spot a staunch liberal or conservative from miles away. There is no talking sense into them, they see the world in a very black and white way mine is as I believe jgd said very much grey. While politics are a delightful topic, I keep my distance from such debates online, it never goes anywhere.

I will say with comfortably certainty...

If you don't know how unselfish men like Regan and Nixon were, you need to freshen up on history before the political revisionists got to it. Say what you will about their politics, they both gave of themselves and their time throughout their entire lives like few since have. They were good men with good intentions and that counts for something.

You have just said :--While politics are a delightful topic, I keep my distance from such debates online, it never goes anywhere.--

Then you go on to wax lyrical about Reagen etc. Leave politics at the wolf's door where it belongs.

I didn't say I don't bloviate about Politics just that i don't debate them...

Alas I agree with your recommendation the buck stops here.

Humility is a fantastic emotion. Enjoy the rest of your Birthday Jay. I think we are the two oldest on mb for what it's worth..

Right-track's like, a gazillion years old.

1968...vintage.