joyboyo53

dont hold potheads on this standard because of one uneducated fool.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

I was mainly shooting down all his assumptions about me being influenced by metal by making an assumption of my own.

Besides, I have friends who smoke weed, and even they don't consider life a burden we have to wait out.

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MHDTV

Actually there's a 100% chance that an infinite number of you exist every moment. I'm going to start an infinite thread!

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Finally, a signature that's chewy not chalky!

Let's agree to disagree.

i get high sometimes

uneducated fool? aren't you the same kid who couldn't hold his own in an argument only 2 weeks ago?

i get high sometimes

You're really going to make me get into this heavily, as opposed to inserting comments periodically. Gods existance is simple. Just because you are a believer and therefore need some dignification in your beliefs, doesn't change the fact that the concept of 'god' was introduced for incredibly simple reasons. People did not have answers. What is the easiest way to answer a question you don't have a good answer for? Invoke the supernatural.

The fact that millions of people believe in God somehow bolsters your point? At one time in history, millions of people believed that Jupiter lived on a mountain in Europe. At one point in time, millions and millions of people believed that diseases were caused by little spirits that invaded your body, and they could only be removed by draining your blood. Millions of people believe God DOESN'T exist, you disagree with this. Does me invoking the fact that millions of people believe god does not exist bolster my point? No. It doesn't help yours either. That is a weak talking point.

Next, what are miracles? I doubt you can answer that and still have anyone take you seriously. The fact that you are so superstitious is almost laughable. Grow up, you're not 8 and this isn't the 11th century. You pin yourself into a corner and have to feign belief in ridiculous superstitions to make a consistent point.

And lastly, you, like every other person who makes the same dumb point your are attempting to make, didn't answer the question. We were not arguing whether or not millions of people have 'seen God' or how many millions of people believe in God. I argued that:

Absence is disproof is not evidence of proof

You, of course, in your infantile attempts to be 'fairminded' and 'respectful' towards religious loons, argued:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absense.

EVERYONE tries to make that point, and it never works. It doesn't work simply because you cannot extend that SAME logic to every single thing which there is no evidence against. That is what we are arguing here, and that is what you cannot (or will not) answer. The reason you won't answer it is because it effectively defeats your point. All you can do is say it is a weak talking point. How about answering it. There are millions of pagans who believe in witches and trolls. Therefore, since there is no evidence which disproves the existance of trolls, and a fair amount of people claim belief in trolls. Is it problematic for me to declare my disbelief in trolls? That is the question you need to answer. Gods and trolls are the exact same. Absolutely no evidence in favor of either, and absolutely no reason to assume that either exist.

NOTHING PROVES TROLLS DON'T EXIST EITHER. What makes you think that belief in God has more credence than belief in trolls? The fact that you believe in God? Do I base my disbelief in trolls on faith? Do you?

99% of people believe in God because their parents believe in god. They were indoctrinated. The remainder have somehow convinced themselves that there is a magical man who knows everything you do at all times, cares about you personally, and created everything in the universe. Belief in God is unnecessary and illogical. For God to have a personal relationship with all 6 billion people on this planet woud be impossible. Of course, he's God right? He just can. Thats a real cop out. How about this.

You have acknowledged that evolution is an impossible theory to debunk. That's mostly because it's true. We know that evolution brings about the existance of increasingly complex creatures. And creature capable of creating the entire universe and all its contents, must be an extraordinarily complex creature. We know that simple creatures being created through abiogenesis is incredibly rare, it has only happened once in 6 billion years, as far as we know. So the notion that an INCREDIBLY COMPLEX being like God, just came into existance, is virtually impossible. Prokaryotic cells arranging themselves in primordial soup is such an uncommon occurance, that to believe God just came into existance is ridiculous. Imagine if scientists proposed that humans just came into existance in that primordial soup. They would be laughed off whatever campus they were studying on. Believing that God, infinitely more complex than humans, just came into existance, is borderline stupidity. In fact, I think you have dived head first into stupidity if you actually believe that.

BUT WAIT! Believers in God have the ultimate cop out

"He's God, he can just do stuff like that"

My point is: Complex beings come into existance through a long process of evolution, and begin as infinitely simple beings. What created that infinitely simple being which God evolved from? Something complex no doubt, so he must have likewise evolved. What created his simple ancestors? Of course, just use your default cop out to answer that one.

No, there is plenty of evidence that crossing the street blindly can result in being hit by a car. It has happened in the past. Empirical evidence. It has been documented. If you roll a ball across the street and cars are instructed not to react to the ball at all, it will be hit a certain number of times. That is evidence, not faith. Likewise with your other examples. Cars have been stolen thousands of times because they are left unlocked. Therefore, good evidence exists that if you leave your car doors unlocked, there is a chance it will be stolen.

"Even if they are fake, it proves nothing"

Howso? If they're fake, obviously those people didn't actually see it. Which doesn't lend any crediblity to your argument that it could possibly exist. People on acid hallucinate pink elephants all the time. Are you saying that simply because someone hallucinated something which obviously isn't real, adds credibilty to their insistance that it is? Just because you believe it to be true, on zero evidence, doesn't mean it is.

I wish you would heed your own advice here, so I don't have to keep typing drawn out replies to a kid who probably can't read them in the first place.

Frances

Wow, this thread is all over the place!

I don't wan't to completely join in, but I will say this:

I'm not sure if god exists, but I don't worry about if he'd approve of what I do when I do illegal things and such.(or she'd, if god even has a sex, again, if god exists)

I take a few things into my life which most religions seem to aim for:
Morals, Decency, Fairness, Honesty, those sorts of things.

I strongly believe that if there is a god, god wouldn't worry about worship, god would be more concerned with your good deeds towards others and the above things I mentioned (morals etc.)

I think it would be awesome if unicorns or goblins existed. A unicorn would be a great hunting animal. (not to hunt unicorns, it could spike things!)

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ilmaestro13

Kudos to you, i get high sometimes. I've always wanted to write something that long and that good when talking to people online.

I hate when people use that "argument" to try and justify why they belive in God. Almost as idiotic as Pascals Theory.

Frances

the one about the earth being a giant licorice allsort? Now that is idiotic!

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

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anticipation

you just made this the best thread of all fucking time.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

I'd rather have a minotaur.

__________________
I don't mean to dwell
But I can't help myself
When I feel the vibe
And taste a memory
Of a time in life
When years seemed to stand still