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sleepy jack 01-12-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 430380)
Not to mention that she openly says she accepts money from lobbyists and while this isn't a huge issue, campaigned actively in Michigan prior to the NH primary.

I consider it important, she's the only democratic candidate who does that. It's a problem when lobbyists are more important than people. I think the fact she tries to lie about it says alot too. She said something like "They represent real americans, nurses and firefighters and corporations that employ your average american." Which according to some data, I can't remember where I'll look it up if you want, that statement was pretty inaccurate. Some did but for the most part the lobbyists contributing to Hilary's campaign were big industries. It's total bullshit that lobbyists represent every day people like she suggests, she cares more about businesses than american citizens which is a horrible quality in a could-be president. I don't care for Edwards on alot of things or Obama much at all but they were right in saying she shouldn't accept money from lobbyists. She's a corporate whore who will do whatever she's told regardless of who in her eyes she stamps on, which could be her own people for all she cares.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez 01-12-2008 04:49 PM

I'm voting for Clinton, and here's why:
Under Bill Clinton, we had a better economy, and we were more peaceful. We did have disputes, and unnecessary bombings in other countries. In fact, our foreign affairs weren't very good, but at least we didn't have any full scale wars.
I don't like the fact that she received money from lobbyists, but I truly believe her when she says she wants improved health care, and wants to fight for the poorer and more underprivileged Americans.
John Edwards has never accepted any money from lobbyists, but with all due respect, he probably never needed to. He does say he wants to fight for poorer Americans, but I hardly believe him. He teams up so much with Obama in the debates, and I don't even think he wants to see a Democrat win the upcoming election.
I'm passionate about a president who would fight for the poorer people, because they realize as it is right now, a lot of them can unnecessarily live off of unemployment and disability, and who wouldn't want to. We don't believe in the leaders in this country-from the president, down to CEO's of companies, to managers at the local fast food chain.
They've had a saying in this country for a long time, that the current president embodies the nation, and then we the people of the nation, come to not only fight for, but resemble our president in many ways.
Well, that's probably why our country is so divided right now. We have the most unpopular president in our country's history.
I was in Texas the other day, and some dude wearin' a cowboy hat, who looked like he could have been one of Bush's close friends, came up to me and said, "We've got a woman running for president, can you believe that?" I told him yes, and I was voting for her. He responded "Shoot, women can't handle the stress. Men are made to handle stress. Women get all (makes idiotic distressed sounding voice) I pretended to listen to him for a while, then walked away.
Yeah, women can't take the stress. That explains why women perennially outlive men by about 6 or 7 years. I'm so sick of idiot traditionalists thinking that a president crying and showing vulnerability would encourage terrorism.
Yeah, I can just imagine the Taliban watching videos of her crying, and immediately linking that up a weak military and poor national defense. "Jeez, we could probably take over the whole country with her running the damn thing." Just because you're frozen inside, and had your feelings beat out of you doesn't mean crying is a weakness. It justs means that it's different. And we need a change.

sleepy jack 01-12-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy (Post 430465)
I'm voting for Clinton, and here's why:
Under Bill Clinton, we had a better economy, and we were more peaceful. We did have disputes, and unnecessary bombings in other countries. In fact, our foreign affairs weren't very good, but at least we didn't have any full scale wars.

Hillary isn't Bill Clinton.

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I don't like the fact that she received money from lobbyists, but I truly believe her when she says she wants improved health care, and wants to fight for the poorer and more underprivileged Americans.
John Edwards has never accepted any money from lobbyists, but with all due respect, he probably never needed to. He does say he wants to fight for poorer Americans, but I hardly believe him. He teams up so much with Obama in the debates, and I don't even think he wants to see a Democrat win the upcoming election.
If he doesn't want a democratic win why wold he be running?

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I'm passionate about a president who would fight for the poorer people, because they realize as it is right now, a lot of them can unnecessarily live off of unemployment and disability, and who wouldn't want to. We don't believe in the leaders in this country-from the president, down to CEO's of companies, to managers at the local fast food chain.
They've had a saying in this country for a long time, that the current president embodies the nation, and then we the people of the nation, come to not only fight for, but resemble our president in many ways.
Well, that's probably why our country is so divided right now. We have the most unpopular president in our country's history.
Hillary is a walking talking slave to the corporations. She isn't the presidential equivalent to Robin Hood.

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I was in Texas the other day, and some dude wearin' a cowboy hat, who looked like he could have been one of Bush's close friends, came up to me and said, "We've got a woman running for president, can you believe that?" I told him yes, and I was voting for her. He responded "Shoot, women can't handle the stress. Men are made to handle stress. Women get all (makes idiotic distressed sounding voice) I pretended to listen to him for a while, then walked away.
Yeah, women can't take the stress. That explains why women perennially outlive men by about 6 or 7 years. I'm so sick of idiot traditionalists thinking that a president crying and showing vulnerability would encourage terrorism.
Yeah, I can just imagine the Taliban watching videos of her crying, and immediately linking that up a weak military and poor national defense. "Jeez, we could probably take over the whole country with her running the damn thing." Just because you're frozen inside, and had your feelings beat out of you doesn't mean crying is a weakness. It justs means that it's different. And we need a change.
I don't think that sexist attitude is much different than saying she's going to be the same president as her husband.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez 01-12-2008 05:17 PM

Hey Crowquill, who would you be supporting in the upcoming election. I'm guessing that it would be a Democrat, based on a lot of your arguments.
I'm not sexist, but I like people who express their emotions, and wear their heart on their sleeve.
They say that emotional and irrational go hand in hand, but I doubt that, because emotional people are also very often introspective. An introspective candidate is the number one thing I'm looking for in the upcoming election. We have a lot of problems facing our country, and I want a presidentwho will not be afraid to admit they are wrong if their policies are not heading in the right direction. I see all the other candidates as being way too stubborn, and Hillary as a person who could actually admit she is wrong.

sleepy jack 01-12-2008 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy (Post 430473)
Hey Crowquill, who would you be supporting in the upcoming election. I'm guessing that it would be a Democrat, based on a lot of your arguments.

I don't really know, since I'm not voting I haven't put super much thought in it but I like Gravel and Kucinich a lot.

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I'm not sexist, but I like people who express their emotions, and wear their heart on their sleeve.
They say that emotional and irrational go hand in hand, but I doubt that, because emotional people are also very often introspective. An introspective candidate is the number one thing I'm looking for in the upcoming election. We have a lot of problems facing our country, and I want a presidentwho will not be afraid to admit they are wrong if their policies are not heading in the right direction. I see all the other candidates as being way too stubborn, and Hillary as a person who could actually admit she is wrong.
"It's not a very big thing to say, "I made a mistake" on the war, and typical of Hillary Clinton that she can't. She's so advised by so many smart advisers who are covering every base. I think that America was better served when the candidates were chosen in smoke-filled rooms." - David Geffen

"Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling." - David Geffen once again, a man who signed Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Tom waits and a former friend of the Clintons. I trust his insight into them more than I trust someone who's never met them and is displaying some obvious ignorance of Hillary, she IS a corporate whore. Once again, I don't really understand why you seem to think she's the presidential equivalent to Robin Hood, she's not.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez 01-12-2008 05:35 PM

I'm trying to narrow it down to who are the most likely R Candidates and D candidates, then choosing who I would like between those 2.
If I felt like America were looking for enough of a change that they would elect an independent, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
However, I don't feel we are at that point yet, so we just have to pick the best of 2 evils.

sleepy jack 01-12-2008 05:38 PM

That's such a lazy and horrible attitude though. Too many Americans are comfortable with just settling for the lesser of two evils while perfectly good candidates sit there getting nothing. Why vote for any evil when you can vote for good? It makes no sense to me.

Mockingbird! 01-12-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 430478)
I don't really know, since I'm not voting I haven't put super much thought in it but I like Gravel and Kucinich a lot.

i didnt even know who Dennis Kucinich was, but i just looked him up, and i am rather impressed with his ideas and plans.....i will have to reasearch him some more, he seems quite good

655321 01-13-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDonald (Post 429463)
Clinton only won New Hampshire b/c she turned on the water-works and pulled the sympathy card. NH voters are infamous for voting crazy, so don't let this primary be any indication of the upcoming 11 months.


And don't even get me started on Ron Paul...

umm accually i think i should tell you new hampshire is konwn for being pretty good at predicting the out come overall

adidasss 01-13-2008 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDonald (Post 430195)
I don't know if there are any homosexuals here, but I have a question. If homosexuals got all the same rights and securities as a married couple, just w/o the title of "marriage", would they honestly complain about it?

I'm gay and no, I believe no one would bitch too much. ;)


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