Worst Person Ever (American, quote, history, Inci)

khfreek · 06-28-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

This doesn't make sense...?

I phrased it poorly. I meant that unless a group or person could fight back, he had no qualms about taking their life. He'd kill anyone he pleased, including his own countrymen.

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"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism. Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism. In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."
- J.V. Stalin (Works, Vol. 13, Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing House, 1955, p. 30)

Politicians lie.

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

What other groups? Have you any evidence of this?

"During the late 1930s, Stalin launched the Great Purge (also known as the "Great Terror"), a campaign to purge the Communist Party of people accused of corruption or treachery; he extended it to the military and other sectors of Soviet society. Targets were often executed, imprisoned in Gulag labor camps or exiled. In the years following, millions of ethnic minorities were also deported."

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 06-28-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

"During the late 1930s, Stalin launched the Great Purge (also known as the "Great Terror"), a campaign to purge the Communist Party of people accused of corruption or treachery; he extended it to the military and other sectors of Soviet society. Targets were often executed, imprisoned in Gulag labor camps or exiled. In the years following, millions of ethnic minorities were also deported."

usually you state where you got the quote from when you use it

and assuming what you said is true (i dont know a lot about that time in history) - you think deportation is equivalent to the holocaust?

khfreek · 06-28-2009, 04:41 PM

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Where are you getting this from?

The outright murder of innocent German citizens after WWII had been won. He killed innocents as easily as Hitler did.

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Not only is national discrimination repudiated by the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, but many of Stalin's associates were Jewish, and many of his friends and family were married to Jews, including both his son and daughter. Even if he were, somehow, a secret anti-semite, it's not as though he was lining Jews up against the wall and having them shot simply because they were Jewish.

A few points come to my mind here. For one, no one can follow an ideology flawlessly. Marxism says everyone should be equally wealthy, yet there was quite a few better off in Soviet Russia than most, such as Stalin. Also, Stalin's secretary before Lenin was dead attested to his anti-semitism. Now you bring up the point that he wasn't killing Jews just for their ethnicity. But you seem to think I care WHY people are killed. He killed millions of people, and even if he did so with less diabolical reasons in mind than Hitler, I believe the crime remains the same (proggyman made a good thead about Hate Crimes earlier that addresses that).

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Apparently you missed my first response.

"If you're referring to the gulag deaths, you must first understand that people were sent there only by virtue of serious crimes (treason, rape, murder, etc.), and secondly, that the overwhelming majority of the gulag deaths were a result merely of food shortages. If you're referring to the political executions, you must understand that, a) many of the purge claims were inflated, and b) many of these assassinations were carried out under the suspicion that the executed were Nazi collaborators and thus a colossal, looming threat to the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat."

So you're saying the ethnic groups were deported because of food shortages? And that somehow makes Stalin not a racist?

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Also, I believe it was evidence that was requested and not some unsourced cut-and-paste job from Wikipedia.

It's from Wikipedia. If you want to try and prove that it's NOT true, feel free. I'm not about to go through the MASSIVE LIST OF REAL SOURCES on the article to find the one that fits this argument.

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