The Saturday 6-Pack

OccultHawk · 01-16-2021, 08:02 PM

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Jesus christ.... That's ****ed up... Did you fight against it or were you glad to be separated?

If you get “diagnosed” with opposition defiance disorder you’re going in special education classes with kids with any other “disability”. The only thing he could’ve done to stop it is suicide. The more they resist the more they strap them down. They’ll just put you in juvie. Then stricter juvie. Then just plain jail.

The Batlord · 01-16-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

If you get “diagnosed” with opposition defiance disorder you’re going in special education classes with kids with any other “disability”. The only thing he could’ve done to stop it is suicide. The more they resist the more they strap them down. They’ll just put you in juvie. Then stricter juvie. Then just plain jail.

I was never that bad but... It could get bad. Like I just wanted to read my Star Wars books and I was being "taught" material at least two years beneath my grade that I simply didn't need to pay attention to and my teachers didn't like me reading in class but still put up with it cause they knew I didn't need that **** but eventually one thing comes to another and they tell me to put my book away and I guess I'm none to receptive and next thing I know they take my book away and I'm having an absolute fit with a teacher's assisstant dragging me out of class and having to peal my fingers off the door jam cause I'm not leaving. Not without my ****ing book.

I mean I'm clearly a behavioral issue. But if the school's solution is to stick me in the class with the nonverbal kids I'm clearly being abandoned.

The Batlord · 01-16-2021, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

If you get “diagnosed” with opposition defiance disorder you’re going in special education classes with kids with any other “disability”. The only thing he could’ve done to stop it is suicide. The more they resist the more they strap them down. They’ll just put you in juvie. Then stricter juvie. Then just plain jail.

Oh and just to be sure, they stuck hella black kids in my class who maybe just had anger issues but not even my behavioral issues. It was even more a dumping ground for black kids than white kids most definitely.

OccultHawk · 01-16-2021, 08:24 PM

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Oh and just to be sure, they stuck hella black kids in my class who maybe just had anger issues but not even my behavioral issues. It was even more a dumping ground for black kids than white kids most definitely.

I know exactly what was happening man. I fought against that **** to point of putting my livelihood in jeopardy. That’s why I’ve gone on and on that school shouldn’t be compulsory. It just doesn’t work for everyone. Everyone twists that into the same thing as certain people shouldn’t be educated which is the exact opposite to what I believe. Schooling and education are very different.

The Batlord · 01-16-2021, 08:35 PM

Yeah the American education system is a de facto holding facility for children and when the kids challenge the facade the system stops even pretending the facade and just shuttles them along education be damned to get them out of the system so they don't have to deal with them. I mean as ****ty as I had it I had truly ****ed up kids, some nonverbal who had the same education I did just to shovel them out of the system with no education to speak of.

~~jwb~~ · 01-16-2021, 09:15 PM

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I was never that bad but... It could get bad. Like I just wanted to read my Star Wars books and I was being "taught" material at least two years beneath my grade that I simply didn't need to pay attention to and my teachers didn't like me reading in class but still put up with it cause they knew I didn't need that **** but eventually one thing comes to another and they tell me to put my book away and I guess I'm none to receptive and next thing I know they take my book away and I'm having an absolute fit with a teacher's assisstant dragging me out of class and having to peal my fingers off the door jam cause I'm not leaving. Not without my ****ing book.

I mean I'm clearly a behavioral issue. But if the school's solution is to stick me in the class with the nonverbal kids I'm clearly being abandoned.

that's completely ****ed

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I know exactly what was happening man. I fought against that **** to point of putting my livelihood in jeopardy. That’s why I’ve gone on and on that school shouldn’t be compulsory. It just doesn’t work for everyone. Everyone twists that into the same thing as certain people shouldn’t be educated which is the exact opposite to what I believe. Schooling and education are very different.

I get where you're coming from but there's a downside to making it optional as well. Yes you can be educated without school but ask yourself do you really think the kids who school doesn't work for have the kind of home life that will see to it they are educated without school? Essentially you'd just give lazy/incompetent parents even more wiggle room to neglect their kids.

OccultHawk · 01-16-2021, 09:23 PM

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I get where you're coming from but there's a downside to making it optional as well. Yes you can be educated without school but ask yourself do you really think the kids who school doesn't work for have the kind of home life that will see to it they are educated without school? Essentially you'd just give lazy/incompetent parents even more wiggle room to neglect their kids.

No doubt. It’s not a perfect proposal. We need to put our wasted military budget into education but money alone won’t solve it without huge reforms. With enough money we could accommodate every learner with the right strategies.

**Marie Monday** · 01-17-2021, 03:02 AM

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I was a weird kid put in the retard class cause I was difficult to deal with and they just dumped any kid with behavioral problems into the retard class and gave up on them. It was a damn human rights violation they got around just by not calling it the retard class. Middle school wasn't as bad simply because I was segregated from the general population but it was still years of school that was a complete waste.

Being inexplicably attached to your shorts does sound a bit autistic. They dealt with all that absolutely horribly, you're right it should be ****ing illegal. Jesus.
Judging from what you're telling here I was a more mild mannered brand of autist (maybe because I'm a girl) but I was a difficult kid so I relate to the unwillingness of most people to deal with it or even understand. Just feeling like the system kind of rejects you from an early age. Like you said, that's basically a human rights violation.

~~jwb~~ · 01-17-2021, 06:21 AM

When I was in middle school in NC they tried sticking me in advanced classes so I started acting out cause I didn't want the extra work... Then they put me on adderall lol.

OccultHawk · 01-17-2021, 07:09 AM

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When I was in middle school in NC they tried sticking me in advanced classes so I started acting out cause I didn't want the extra work... Then they put me on adderall lol.

It’s not funny tbh. The overuse of chemical restraints is a monster problem in America and that may have played a role in your future problems with chemical abuse.

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that's basically a human rights violation

It definitely is. I saw disabled children totally unable to defend themselves from classmates that were horrifying bullies subjected to this kind of psychological abuse day after day and when I reported the problems to authorities instead of providing the institutional support needed they wrote me up for failing to manage the class. Before y’all go thinking this is sour grapes revisionism on my part I’ll tell you this teaching post went through five certified teachers in a single year. That’s five people who did all that work to get certified and hired who quit midstream in a single year because of one “lump every problem kid together” class. And if their parents decide to keep them at home instead the police eventually arrest them for truancy because the school is paid by attendance records. This sort of institutional child abuse is rampant all over Florida. I know people think I’m a hyperbolic nut but this is true as the sky is blue. I swear on Coltrane’s grave.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	When I was in middle school in NC they tried sticking me in advanced classes so I started acting out cause I didn't want the extra work... Then they put me on adderall lol.