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Old 02-20-2021, 10:24 PM   #24441 (permalink)
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It applies to a slave as well

Its not a moral argument it's a simple reality. That is the default existence for most people and always has been.

And nah you're working to survive. Your life is probably way easier than trying to hunt game with ****ing spears and bows and arrows. It just so happens that as we've become more efficient a certain privileged % of humans managed to rise above the default state.
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Old 02-20-2021, 10:45 PM   #24442 (permalink)
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When did I say to be thankful?
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Old 02-20-2021, 10:49 PM   #24443 (permalink)
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Once again, the flawed assumption underlying your viewpoint is that life is supposed to be pleasant
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Old 02-20-2021, 11:06 PM   #24444 (permalink)
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Just fully numb yourself to what you hate about being an underling so that the overlords let you live, I don't see what's so hard to understand here.
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Old 02-20-2021, 11:15 PM   #24445 (permalink)
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life is not "supposed" to be anything

however typically it's a lot nicer for the master

I don't care about happiness I want the boot off our necks...I believe in Freedom
I don't disagree. I'm giving a descriptive statement not a prescriptive one. Like I said it's not a moral argument.
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Old 02-20-2021, 11:18 PM   #24446 (permalink)
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Just fully numb yourself to what you hate about being an underling so that the overlords let you live, I don't see what's so hard to understand here.
the overlords don't give a **** whether you numb yourself or not lol

And you can't choose to numb yourself

You know what numbs people? Consistent exposure to pain.

The numbness is a natural defense mechanism. Its a psychological immune system.
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Old 02-20-2021, 11:24 PM   #24447 (permalink)
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idk why you're trying to debate me, I was helping you make your point at elphenor
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Old 02-20-2021, 11:27 PM   #24448 (permalink)
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I wasn't trying to debate you or elph I was clarifying my position

For someone who never dares to actually try to enter into a debate seriously you are strangely competitive
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Old 02-21-2021, 03:34 AM   #24449 (permalink)
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jwb's description of the average life is true though, and I think it's one of the most profound human problems. I don't think it's entirely fair to say people expect to be happy: it's just that in modern times people actually have come to a point where they question their existence to an extent that they ask themselves if their life is worth living without more happiness and fulfillment. And the answer is often depressingly close to 'no'.

I also think it doesn't help that modern society claims to be egalitarian to keep poor people at peace, without actually being so. Throughout history, class distinction was much more obvious and rigid, so if some aristocrat had a better life people were like 'yea that's how it is', but if there's this claim that everyone is equal while some people have a much better life, you'll ask yourself 'why not me?'.

I do think it's sensible to try to seek fulfillment in the small things in life, coping with reality isn't necessarily resigning to it. I really don't think jwb was trying to defend this reality, just doubting whether we can ever give the average person the fulfilling life they'd like. Which I agree with, even though I think we should try.
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"And nah you're working to survive. Your life is probably way easier than trying to hunt game with ****ing spears and bows and arrows."

this is where you basically say "just be thankful"

as if there's no alternative except return to Monkee
no. It's not a matter of being thankful. It is what it is. You either cope or die.
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