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**Frownland** · 02-21-2021, 12:27 PM

Wealthy, successful people from privileged backgrounds often misrepresent their origins as working-class

Anteater · 02-21-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

it's not simply whining about not liking the rules, it's an immoral game that's so heavily rigged billions of people can't even really play

Something isn't immoral just because it doesn't benefit all people all of the time. There's no system of government or economy that can effectively service that many people. If such a thing existed, you would never have problems in countries like Denmark which are supposed to be fairly close to that ideal in regards to population density and a host of other factors.

**Marie Monday** · 02-21-2021, 12:36 PM

no ****, capitalism isn't immoral because it isn't perfect, it's immoral because it actively harms tons of people

WWWP · 02-21-2021, 12:36 PM

When you have people starving to death in the same timeline as others having enough to waste it absolutely is immoral.

Anteater · 02-21-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

When you have people starving to death in the same timeline as others having enough to waste it absolutely is immoral.

Capitalism isn't perfect, but this tells the real story. And at the end of the day, this is the kind of data that actually matters. If anything, it just goes to show that it is better to work on the problems we have than tear everything down in favor of other kinds of systems.

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**Marie Monday** · 02-21-2021, 12:50 PM

Show those graphs to all the starving people and tell them not to worry.

A few microsoft excel graphs saying that people are becoming less poor doesn't mean that that's thanks to capitalism, or that the state of things is acceptable.
And sometimes a system is rotten enough that it does need to be done away with entirely. Whether that's true for capitalism I don't claim to know.

**Frownland** · 02-21-2021, 12:55 PM

The Koch-funded Cato Institute says capitalism good? Well I guess that settles it.

Anteater · 02-21-2021, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Show those graphs to all the starving people and tell them not to worry.

A few microsoft excel graphs saying that people are becoming less poor doesn't mean that that's thanks to capitalism, or that the state of things is acceptable.
And sometimes a system is rotten enough that it does need to be done away with entirely. Whether that's true for capitalism I don't claim to know.

The point is that capitalism is just a framework. The only way to shift it into something better for even more people than the way it is now is to change the way that people approach things like scarcity, which would require a robot slave caste for all forms of low-level labor, affordable lab-based food production and a host of other things that are probably a decade away or so from being easily accessible or usable by regular people. If you want those things faster, tell all of our political representatives to throw down the cash and get that stuff out into the marketplace faster.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The Koch-funded Cato Institute says capitalism good? Well I guess that settles it.

Guess so Sherlock. https://www.amazon.com/Progress-Reas.../dp/1780749503

**Marie Monday** · 02-21-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

The point is that capitalism is just a framework. The only way to shift it into something better for even more people than the way it is now is to change the way that people approach things like scarcity, which would require a robot slave caste for all forms of low-level labor, affordable lab-based food production and a host of other things that are probably a decade away or so from being easily accessible or usable by regular people. If you want those things faster, tell all of our political representatives to throw down the cash and get that stuff out into the marketplace faster.

I don't speak managerish so I have no clue what you mean by 'framework'. But there are definitely tons of urgent problems with capitalism, especially in America, which could be solved a LOT sooner and easier than by waiting for robot slaves. Wealth redistribution and free healthcare and education would be a good start.

Anteater · 02-21-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I don't speak managerish so I have no clue what you mean by 'framework'. But there are definitely tons of urgent problems with capitalism, especially in America, which could be solved a LOT sooner and easier than by waiting for robot slaves. Wealth redistribution and free healthcare and education would be a good start.

I don't disagree with that at all actually. They don't solve the underlying problems, but they aren't bad at all.

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02-21-2021, 12:27 PM	#24461 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Wealthy, successful people from privileged backgrounds often misrepresent their origins as working-class __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-21-2021, 12:55 PM	#24467 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The Koch-funded Cato Institute says capitalism good? Well I guess that settles it. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x