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...yeah thats right!

...douche.

i dont get it, why does marilyn manson scare you? he is just another dude making money, in a really smart way mind you =P. it would definetly suck being a douche... being a douche bag would be even worse..

what is a douche????? i feel so tiny. any way john brought up the whole badass thing

Getting back to the original subject, I feel that there must be an almighty power somewhere. You know, opposable thumbs and all that. Let me explain. Scientists believe that the universe was created by a Big Bang (bass drum). Religious people argue that something must have been present to allow this to happen (drummer). Scientists say that it was mere chance that certain chemical reactions took place at that time (auditions). Religions argue that there must have been something to create these chemicals (original band members). Scientists say that they were always there doing nothing (singers). Religions say that something all powerful must have created them (guitarists who write the songs). As you can see, God HAS to be a rock star.

omg, i think i may no longer be an atheist! If God is a rockstar.. then woah! Jesus floats my boat!

both sides have gaping holes in their explanations. contrary to popular belief, neither those who support the creationism side or the evolutionist side can explain everything. It's been said by many that it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creationism. Though I'm not remoltely religious, and I don't really beleive in god, I do accept that there is certainly a possibility that there is a higher power, and that that power (whatever it is, or was) could have created the universe, simply because it would be ignorant not to realize that both sides have good points and plausible explanations, as well as huge holes in their explanations.

Yes, but you've got to agree that if there IS an all powerful er... power, it would be some sort of a rock star.

Was this thread supposed to be him wanting to talk to other people who believe in god...Not a whole disscussion on whether god exists or not...hm.

Hmm, been reading. I like the God has to a rock star thing, thats cool but I suppose everyone is allowed a opinion. The whole debate about whether God exists is really never ending I suppose, and quite an interesting topic despite the fact that I DO believe.
Athiests believe that the universe was created by the big bang, fair enough but that does not support the theory that it must have been created, by something or someone. You see God created the universe but a lot of people disagree.
Ido not entirely believe everything the bible says (making the world in 7 days or noah in his ark) because I belive those stories had different meanings.
I would also like to know opinions on whether God is man orwoman. The bible says he is a man but i think that this was only belived because the bible was written by men. Men are NOT superior to women. Yes the bible is sexist.

"Yes the bible is sexist."

The answer to the question nobody asked...

hahah, i kid i kid.

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Originally Posted by Han

Athiests believe that the universe was created by the big bang, fair enough but that does not support the theory that it must have been created, by something or someone. You see God created the universe but a lot of people disagree.

Hawking's* theory is that the Big Bang was caused by the collapse of a previous universe. The theory suggests that the universe is expanding, but will at some point collapse in on itself, with all the matter in the universe being crushed down to the size of a pinhead before exploding once again to form an entirely new universe, one in which the earth may never be formed, or one in which several thousands of planets with similar environments to earth may or may not be formed.

*I think it's Hawking's theory, but don't quote me on that.

Whoops might be a tad long.

First of all, I’ll start with ‘Switchfootrocks!’ comment:

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Originally Posted by Switchfootrocks!

the bible is crap.............. theres no way it was made by God

even though David Frost said that it was made by men who believed in god, there are a lot of people out there who believe God did have something to do with it, believers of Christianity, and non believers(they cant explain it). Im talking of the many codes found in the original books of the bible, which would’ve been impossible to create thousands of years ago, when it was written. I cant remember much of the codes but im sure you can get them off the net, I do however remember a bit of one. I think it was the first four books of the bible (the bible has 66 books) anywho the first two books called ‘Genisis’ and ‘Exodus’ both have a code where every 49th (7 times 7) letter in hebrew (remember these books each have hundreds of pages) spells out ‘TORH’ which means ‘the word of god’. If you think about it, having that code in it, and still making the whole book make sense, is extremely hard. I couldn’t even do it now, even with computers. Anywho if we skip the 3rd book and goto the 4th and 5th books ‘Numbers’ and ‘Deutoronomy’ every forty ninth letter spells out ‘HROT’. ‘the word of god’ backwards.. So anyway if you write this out, it would appear that ‘the word of god’ seems to be pointing towards the third book, correct?
The third book called ‘Leviticus’. Now if we look at every 7th letter in Leviticus we get the word ‘YHWH’ repeated again. ‘YHWH’ is the Hebrew word for God. Thus the word of god (faith/Christianity) leads too god!! Pretty cool huh!

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Originally Posted by Jibber

religion makes no sense to me. Personally, I think it's ludicrous to belvieve that there's some almighty power controlling the daily affairs of our lives, and that we can simply leave everything in the "hands of god" and think things will come out ok. Not to mention how many disturbing and horrific acts have been carried out in the "name of god" throughout history.

When you say ‘horrific acts have been carried out in the "name of god" throughout history’ you have to remember that back in the day (hundreds/thousands of years ago) being a religious leader meant great power. Thus you had your average Joe who thought that with power he could do anything he wanted and get away with it. So he slapped on a cross and cried out his love for god. No one back then would dare go against the church, so they were forced to listen to this person and do what he did. Also they hadn’t properly translated the bible back then, so they had no real guide-line on how to love god, and be his follower. So just because someone says they did something in the name god, doesn’t mean god endorsed it. They could just be blamming him for they mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Han

yeh the rock star thing is quite rad. When you say you don’t believe in ‘Noah and his ark’ there is actually quite a lot of proof that there was in fact a worldwide flood. This worldwide flood also supports the Christian’s claim the world in only about 8 thousand years old, not billions of years old, as is thought by many people today.

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Originally Posted by Fransca

The story of creation in the Bible has been disproven by the existence of fossils and of the evolution of the natural world

Actually the dating of fossils is based on asumptions and is heavily relied on radioactive carbon dating in relation to the half lives they have. As radioactive carbon can only exist for a few thousand years it is impossible to date fossils that existed millions of years. Evolutionists therefore base dating on inference, which is a better name for a guess! Human fossils have recently been found lying next to dinosaur fossils in texas over the past few years which totally disproves the evidence for evolution and cannot be explained by evolutionists. Also the lack of transition fossils in the fossil record suggest that evolution could not have occurred because it could only happen by small incremental changes of one species to another which is not evident in the fossil record.

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Originally Posted by Yellow Card

First of all, I’ll start with ‘Switchfootrocks!’ comment:

even though David Frost said that it was made by men who believed in god, there are a lot of people out there who believe God did have something to do with it, believers of Christianity, and non believers(they cant explain it). Im talking of the many codes found in the original books of the bible, which would’ve been impossible to create thousands of years ago, when it was written. I cant remember much of the codes but im sure you can get them off the net, I do however remember a bit of one. I think it was the first four books of the bible (the bible has 66 books) anywho the first two books called ‘Genisis’ and ‘Exodus’ both have a code where every 49th (7 times 7) letter in hebrew (remember these books each have hundreds of pages) spells out ‘TORH’ which means ‘the word of god’. If you think about it, having that code in it, and still making the whole book make sense, is extremely hard. I couldn’t even do it now, even with computers. Anywho if we skip the 3rd book and goto the 4th and 5th books ‘Numbers’ and ‘Deutoronomy’ every forty ninth letter spells out ‘HROT’. ‘the word of god’ backwards.. So anyway if you write this out, it would appear that ‘the word of god’ seems to be pointing towards the third book, correct?
The third book called ‘Leviticus’. Now if we look at every 7th letter in Leviticus we get the word ‘YHWH’ repeated again. ‘YHWH’ is the Hebrew word for God. Thus the word of god (faith/Christianity) leads too god!! Pretty cool huh!

When you say ‘horrific acts have been carried out in the "name of god" throughout history’ you have to remember that back in the day (hundreds/thousands of years ago) being a religious leader meant great power. Thus you had your average Joe who thought that with power he could do anything he wanted and get away with it. So he slapped on a cross and cried out his love for god. No one back then would dare go against the church, so they were forced to listen to this person and do what he did. Also they hadn’t properly translated the bible back then, so they had no real guide-line on how to love god, and be his follower. So just because someone says they did something in the name god, doesn’t mean god endorsed it. They could just be blamming him for they mistakes.

yeh the rock star thing is quite rad. When you say you don’t believe in ‘Noah and his ark’ there is actually quite a lot of proof that there was in fact a worldwide flood. This worldwide flood also supports the Christian’s claim the world in only 8 thousand years old, not billions of years old, as is thought by many people today.

Actually the dating of fossils is based on asumptions and is heavily relied on radioactive carbon dating in relation to the half lives they have. As radioactive carbon can only exist for a few thousand years it is impossible to date fossils that existed millions of years. Evolutionists therefore base dating on inference, which is a better name for a guess! Human fossils have recently been found lying next to dinosaur fossils in texas over the past few years which totally disproves the evidence for evolution and cannot be explained by evolutionists. Also the lack of transition fossils in the fossil record suggest that evolution could not have occurred because it could only happen by small incremental changes of one species to another which is not evident in the fossil record.

wha!!!!!!!!!!!!! had some fun huh!?

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Originally Posted by Yellow Card

Also the lack of transition fossils in the fossil record suggest that evolution could not have occurred because it could only happen by small incremental changes of one species to another which is not evident in the fossil record.

Transition fossils exist everywhere. The recent Malaysian discovery has once again proven their existence, but once again has been dismissed by religious zealots. Those who do not wish to accept they are wrong will find fault, however tenuous, or downright wrong, with everything.

If there was only one religion, I wouldn't be so skeptical...but theres tons, so who knows which is right...

Precisey man. There is no way they can all be right, and there is every possibility that they are ALL wrong. Has religion really been worth all the pain, suffering, extortion and death it has caused?

yellow card, I know that they were given great power, but i'm not saying they were endorsing god's word. that's precisely what bothers me so much about religion. so many people have used it as a tool to hide behind horrific acts. there's so many different religions (as thrice pointed out) each religion is in agreement that there is a higher power (whatever they may call it) but there are various differences within those religions, so how can any one person be so certain that they are on the right track? it just seems so ignorant and closed minded if you really think it through. think about what has been done in the "name of god" (in actuality jsut using religious beliefs to hide behind) in order to be able to carry out horrific acts. the crusades, holocaust, the conflict in iraq between ****e and sunni muslims (and throughout the middle east as well), oppression (and in iraq mass murder) of kurds throughout the middle east, genocide of armenians in turkey, the list just goes on and on and on.

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Originally Posted by franscar

Transition fossils are those fossils that show small incremental changes from one fossil to the next that shows the change from one species to the next, which would point to evolution. These have infact not been found, so i dont know what list of your transition fossils ur talking about because even evolutionists agree that they have not been found, or indeed they dont even exist. The recent discovery in indonesia, not malaysia, have not been dismissed by religious zealots but do not fit in with evolutionists theory of how man came to be. They have been found to be much too young and small for us to have evolved from them.

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Originally Posted by SwitchFootRocks!

wha!!!!!!!!!!!!! had some fun huh!?

heehee, sure did

...Tick...Tick..Tick..Tick

its a clock, clocks go tick. at least mine do. or it could be that he's surrounded in ticks and he thought he'd post every time he saw one jump by.

sorry im waiting too see what franscar is going to say.

going off on a tangent, one thing that bothers me about religion, is that it provokes people to go door to door and spread the word of god (i'm talking about any religion here, although where I live chrisians are by far the most likely to do this.) anyways, last weekend, a bunch of us were over at a friends house. now we'd all had a few drinks, some more so than others. So around 7 at night (ya, we started a bit early, so sue us) the doorbell rings. now a little earlier on my buddy had tried a few shots of absinthe, and if you've never had it before, it f***s you up big time. so he goes stumbling down the stairs to the door, flings it open, and comes face to face with two men of the "church of jesus christ of latter day saints". this is more or less how the conversation went:

my buddy (we'll call him joe): hey there
missionary dudes (we'll call them the bob's): hello, we're from the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, we're here to spread the message of god, would you be interested in hearing out message?
joe: damn right I would be, I love jesus, my buddy's gota pen that says I love jesus
bob's (somewhat startled by joe's obvious drunkenness, but carry on): we're here to spread the word of jesus christ, our lord and savior-
joe (cutting the bob's off): ya know who my savior is? is this guy right here (pulls over a friend of mine), know why? he's the one with the ice, he's the ice man. he's the bringer of the ice if you will. without ice, no margaritatatatas......and they have alcohol in them, and thats a good thing. i hear jesus turned water into wine, could he turn wine into vodka? or absinthe? that s*it's some good stuff, but i gotta tell you, the whole green fairy bit is a load of bull. alls I see is you guys, and you dont look like fairies......(at this point we couldn't hear anymore, too much laughing)

so durring this little speech, these guys are standing there just completely speechless, and my friend took pity on them, told them they'd probably be better off just leaving, and shut the door behind them. leaving my friend talking to the door like nothing happened for a few seconds, then realizing no one's there anymore, going back to the kitchen for some "margaritatatatata's".

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Originally Posted by jibber

its a clock, clocks go tick. at least mine do. or it could be that he's surrounded in ticks and he thought he'd post every time he saw one jump by.

I am blonde but not stupid

^ that's nice.....no one said you were....

hello the tick tock thing, i do own a clock to know wot it sounds like

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Originally Posted by Yellow Card

sorry im waiting too see what franscar is going to say.

There seems to be little for me to say. You have your beliefs based on what you've read, I have mine based upon what I've read. I'm not going to change your mind, so there seems little more to actually add. If you choose to believe that the earth was created in six days, then I'm not sure what would be able to change your mind. So I won't bother.

Sorry, i was merely stating that some of things you have read is wrong, considering your so called 'facts' issued in your last post.

Well take it to the Sunday Times.

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Originally Posted by franscar

what if god didnt rest on the 7th day? what if he used his powers to eliminate sin or something crazy like that...

...what if

.....did you know...

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Originally Posted by SwitchFootRocks!

the bible is crap.............. theres no way it was made by God

thats funny. your against god but switchfoot is a christian band :laughing:

im never said im against god ass. i no switchfoot is a christian band. idiot. i hate people like you.

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Originally Posted by SwitchFootRocks!

im never said im against god ass. i no switchfoot is a christian band. idiot. i hate people like you.

jeez i just found that as ironic thats all

yellow card u are arguing that peoples facts aren't facts, but where is your proof, where are your facts. as you know i am an atheist (and if you didn't you know now) and cannot see any reason to believe in god other than to explain the things we cant and blame him for the mistakes we make and things that go wrong. i am yet to see any proof that there is a god(or gods depending on your religion) or any reason to believe that there is. i'm not saying that anyone that believes in god(s) i wrong, i'm not sayin that there isn't the possibility, just that i dont believe.

PS for yellow card: matt if u say that you've got proof with them finding a human bodie next to a dinosaur's i'm not listen to it. you show me where you've learn't about this piece of 'news' i'll look at it. just because they're next to each other doesn't mean they died at the same time, there are many explanations for how they could be there together.