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Anybody who belives in God wanna chat sometime? i know now that people will choose to ignore this and me but dont let first impressions fool you...everyone has their own beliefs.
Stay away if you don't like.
God bless the rockers of this world!

isnt god suppose to be aganst rock music

Tough, he'll have to get used to it. The bible doesn't say anything bout that.

the bible is crap.............. theres no way it was made by God

it was never said it was made by god....
the ten commandments were made by god, the bible was written over a long period of time

yeah whatever, i dont really like the bible................... sorry if i get bitchy i hate when people prove me wrong.

tee hee, its funny to hear people debate about this.

yeah hillarious

im not sure if i believe in god anymore. like i use to until like a couple years ago when i had to go to conformation class(yes i was catholic) and as i learned more and more about god i wasnt sure to believe if it was true or not.

ha ha catholic church is a joke..go download Dane Cook hes great..hey pimp remember that 80 drag queen...and the lady that took up 3 chairs...and the old lady with the tongue thing ha ha ha good times...

god has done jack sh!t 4 me so....
stuff him. soory han but yeah. i use 2 belive but now it's all bullsh!t.

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im dont think i have ever belived in him. i was forced into the whole church thing. to me its all like a really really BIG cult.

I'd recommend you don't study the early formation of the Church and it's influence on Medieval Europe then dude. Think the influence that the church has on the American midwest at the moment, and multiply it by several thousand. I can assure you that the church is not a joke, it's a deadly serious, multi-national evil.

i dont think thats what he ment

ha ha I meant the people that me and pimp_racer used to attend church with were the craziest people I have ever seen. We could not hold in the "church giggles" we would laugh our asses off.

yea lol we would just ****in die laughing. that was fun when u went with me.

awww how cute..............sorry i no. mentally im not all here! :)

wow, so much teen angst! im sure your life is soo horrible and that you hate god because he hasnt done a thing for you. im sure you are filled with all these suicidal tendencies and feel like no one loves you..

man, that sucks.

religion makes no sense to me. Personally, I think it's ludicrous to belvieve that there's some almighty power controlling the daily affairs of our lives, and that we can simply leave everything in the "hands of god" and think things will come out ok. Not to mention how many disturbing and horrific acts have been carried out in the "name of god" throughout history.

you read my mind.

God.. hah.. had to reply to this. Now for once, I'll be on Switch's side and agree that God is nothing. I used to believe there was possibly a being greater than us. Yes.. oh how I hoped everything would be so much better one day, the day God decides to make it better for whoever that needs it. Heh.. over the years, I've learned that nothing good comes because God decided to give it to us. Most things you had to get yourself and it wasn't God just controling you to make stuff better. If God wants it all good, why does he create pain in ones soul? pfft.. dont tell me its some kind of devil who did that. It just human emotions taking over. Depression has taken over a bit of my life in the past and I hoped that if God existed, he'd make things better.. they never got so much greater. If he existed, why would he let someone take away his life when he was a very good man (my brother...). Whatever. I aint here to talk about my life but I dont believe in someone being there.. supposedly looking over us. It's all bulls*it...........

The thing that gets me, is that God is all powerful, but he wants us to worship him. Why? If I was all powerful I'd be too busy watching girls get undressed and throwing lightning bolts around to give a crap about us worthless losers giving "thanks" for what he's given us.

If there was a God, then there's no way I would have spent £70 on an eight hour round trip to watch Birmingham City draw 0-0 with Southampton yesterday. No way.

hahahaha owch. 8 hours.
i was discussing this with my mate over a lot of drinks last night. we kind of concluded that believeing in a greater being is weak. people dont face their propblems or hardship, they just say to themselves "god is working here, i may not be able to see it, but this is all for the greater good". they hide behind their beliefs. i cannot believe in a mighty power. it just doesnt make sense to me.

you could easily argue the opposite though. those who dont believe in a higher power have no moral obligation to do what would be considered right and wrong. someone who doesnt believe in a higher power after life will have no real reason not to rape or kill someone if they think they can get away with it. often times, serial killers and many other criminals only regret the crimes they have made because of a god of somesort. and it has even been documented that people have stopped commiting crimes because they were afraid not of law on earth but because of something more powerful.

so, perhaps its weak to not believe in a higher power because it is much easier to reason doing horrible acts when you dont have to answer to a higher being.

^ except that we have our own morals not tied into religion. you can't denounce a person's moral values simply because they don't believe in god. I don't believe there is a god, and I still am able to see right and wrong, so your reasoning doesnt quite work.

but he does have point there. i dont entirely agree with it, because as jibber said, i would be quite capable to discern good from bad in deeds such as rape, the personal turmoil and conscience would be enough to turn most people away from such evils.
you dont need to believe in a greater power to know that rape and murder and whatnot is wrong. theres always going to be the extremes that do, as with anything though

we being aetheists? thats being somewhat stereotypical. not every single aetheist has moral values just the same as not every single christian or jew or muslim or what have you has moral values regardless if they are tied to religion.

i will not try to change ones views because i respect them fully, but you cannot say that believing in a higer power is weak. i dont believe that being aethiest, agnostic, full on bible beater, is a measure of ones strength by any means, it is a belief. thats all.

:laughing: David Frost are you saying you belive in god

There's a difference between aethism and non-believing though. Aethists hold the value that there is not, and cannot be any form of spiritual power, whereas non-believers simply contend that they do not know whether there is or isn't, as God cannot be either proven or disproven. The story of creation in the Bible has been disproven by the existence of fossils and of the evolution of the natural world, however to disprove the existence of God and to disprove the factual background of the Bible are two wildly different things.

I'd wager that the majority of people who don't believe in God are non-believers rather than being aethists, as aethism takes the same amount of "faith" (or lack of) as following a religion.

that would be agnostic.

i guess that makes me a nerd d00d!!

to bad, i wish i was as dark and cool as you. ill go listen to marilyn manson and see if that helps.

see now you're twisting my words. I never said that all athiests shared the same values, nor did I say that all religious people shared the same values. I'm merely saying that its completely unreasonable to say that people fro whom religion is a large part of their lives have more morals or a stronger sense of right and wrong. I also did not say that believing in god was weak, it's just something that I've personally come to believe to be untrue. I know many very religious people, and I dont think them weak minded or blind followers, though there are people who do blindly follow a religion without taking into account their own opinion or attempting to form their own values outside of their religion.

just as there are the same amount of people who are athiest just so they can be cool or to be dark or whatever it is. all i know is that for some people, its just another trend.

I think we may have a language barrier over here. In England agnostics are more focused on science and theory rather than non-believers, who simply contest that they do not know, and make no attempt to answer the unanswerable questions. Agnostics are more the open-minded, rather than the disinterested.

Which may have been the same meaning as you have over there, but I figured I'd just make certain.

Personally, I wouldn't class myself as agnostic, because I have no intention of ever attempting to find out the answers to the questions of faith and religion.

I completely agree with you there. There are many who are just going along with the trend of rebelling against the belief in a higher power, and those people are completely pathetic. I however am not one of them. I came to my beliefs on my own terms and for my own reasons, and I have many reasons to back up my beliefs on the subject, as I'm sure you have to back up you're belief that there is a higher power. It's the people that reject the idea of God because they think it to be rebelious or in some way unique and distinctive, or the people who blindly follow their chosen faith without interpreting the teachings in their own minds and considering weather the ideals held by that faith truly coincide with their own who are weaker minded.

hmm, well thats about all i have to say about that!... actually na i was just looking over the thread. at the first page i was ready to jump in and start posting stuff.. the more i pages i went through until the last, i realised that everything i would say has already been said.. damn you jibber. well yea.

wtf............ marilyn manson scares the sh*t out of me. i cant see were your comming from man sorry.

who really cares if david frost belives in god. i mean i did and i still kinda do but who knows. does that effect what kind of person he can be?

apparently it doesnt make me badass.


that makes me sad.

i know whoever said that is a total douche. yea thats right whoever u are ur a douche.