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Duke Of Slander 04-11-2008 06:59 PM

Artistic Statement?
 
Well since we're a diverse community, I'd thought I'd post this and ask you all your views on the subject.

Artist Starves Dog to Death

It is an immensely controversial thing to do, but it also has people question their morals and force them to see their own hypocrisy about starving animals/homeless/human ethics, and also forces people to look at other cultures' perspectives, but thats just my opinion- I want to hear yours!

sweet_nothing 04-11-2008 07:01 PM

I'm all for art and expression but starving a dog is just cruel.

sleepy jack 04-11-2008 07:04 PM

That's not art that's animal cruelty.

SATCHMO 04-11-2008 07:05 PM

That's cruel and disgusting. I can't believe people like that exist in this world. Is that to imply you could do anything with out any regard for its ethical implications, say it was an artistic statement, and that makes it OK?

sweet_nothing 04-11-2008 07:08 PM

Is so bad that he couldn't pick up a paint brush that he had to kill a dog? He should of just straved himself.

Lizzie 04-11-2008 07:09 PM

I joined a facebook group protesting against this very subject


You cant use 'artistic freedom' as a way to rationalize this. It's simply cruel and disgusting.

datafox 04-11-2008 07:41 PM

What Guillermo Habacuc Vargas has done in the name of art (starving and killing the dog) is absolutely insane.

"He is a criminally insane sadist and enjoys inflicting prolonged suffering upon his innocent victims. He is a danger to all of society, as it is well-documented that those with the capacity to intentionally cause harm to an animal have the same capacity to harm humans. To state that this animal would have died eventually of natural causes is unjustifiable and defies logical, rational thought." - The letter sample from "Artist" starves a dog to death as a work of art | AMP: Artists' Meeting Place & Resource Collective

I agree with this. That makes me ill.

Gates_of_Iscariot 04-11-2008 08:10 PM

let the public be damned

Seltzer 04-11-2008 09:06 PM

This is ridiculous... you can't justify starving an animal in the name of art, no matter how far your head is up your arse.

mr dave 04-12-2008 07:57 AM

it's one thing to starve yourself. it's another to deny food to a dependent living being.

i effing hate idealists who pass themselves off as artists because they're both often seen as social outcasts. the person who starved a dog was NOT an artist.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-12-2008 09:18 AM

Maybe I should go kick the shit out of him & call it art , it might help me get away with it.

datafox 04-12-2008 10:04 AM

I think a lot of people have the desire to really hurt this man.

simplephysics 04-12-2008 01:36 PM

This reminds me of that company that puts kitties into jars for whatever reason, Bonsai Kittens or somthing.

****ing sick.

mr dave 04-12-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComingUpRoses (Post 468170)
This reminds me of that company that puts kitties into jars for whatever reason, Bonsai Kittens or somthing.

****ing sick.

bonsai kittens were a hoax from 8 years ago.

sweet_nothing 04-12-2008 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 468292)
bonsai kittens were a hoax from 8 years ago.

what's that?

The Unfan 04-12-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by art from thefreedictionary.com
1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
2.
a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
b. The study of these activities.
c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
6.
a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
7.
a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" Joyce Carol Oates.
8.
a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
b. Artful contrivance; cunning.
9. Printing Illustrative material.

Bold mine. This was a human effort to alter nature, and thus art by the first definition.

However, I'm unfamiliar with Costa Rican law and therefore can't say what legal action would or should take place. American law isn't applicable here because this isn't a case of international affairs nor did it happen in the U.S.

mr dave 04-12-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 468298)
what's that?

it was a hoax website around 2000 that claimed to offer instructions on how to place kittens inside glass jars with breathing holes so they would grow full size inside a bottle. bleeding hearts saw the photoshopped images and let emotions override logic.

putting cats on scanners and uploading the images was far more cruel, considering the cat didn't know to shut its eyes when the light went by. it was also a much funnier website.

right-track 04-12-2008 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 468308)
This was a human effort to alter nature, and thus art by the first definition.
However, I'm unfamiliar with Costa Rican law and therefore can't say what legal action would or should take place. American law isn't applicable here because this isn't a case of international affairs nor did it happen in the U.S.

Whatever...it's cruel...he's a twat...end of!

The Unfan 04-12-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 468322)
Whatever...it's cruel...he's a twat...end of!

I agree 100% but you can't legally punish someone if there isn't a law to fit the crime, or at least I hope not.

right-track 04-12-2008 06:45 PM

You can where I come from.

NSW 04-12-2008 11:12 PM

WTF!? That is absolutely horrible and appalling. So sad...http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/tr...smiley-047.gif

sleepy jack 04-12-2008 11:15 PM

The pictures are sad.

spark10036 04-13-2008 07:18 AM

what an a**hole.people should go to trial as if they had killed anothe human for a crime such as this...

Duke Of Slander 04-13-2008 02:14 PM

Heh. I personally think he's a sick **** myself, but he did get people thinking and talking. Maybe it'll motivate some people to actually get involved with homeless people and starving people and animals.

Oh and Costa Ricans view these dogs as vermin, thats why he was able to get away with it. But seriously, starving a dog in a public place with some writing on the wall to justify what he did is ****ed up. And he'll probably get away with it.

datafox 04-13-2008 04:41 PM

Of course he will. That's what sucks. And like I said earlier, he wants this kind of attention. He knew it would happen. When you're starving for attention, you don't care if it's good or bad.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 04-13-2008 06:17 PM

i knew there would be a time when my username would apply somewhere.



















btw, the dog wasn't starving.

The whole point of the exhibit was to show you that no one gives a **** about a starving dog when you see it wandering around, but all of a sudden it's in an art gallery and it's animal cruelty. People live with food and resources in their homes and there are animals starving in the town you live in, probably... is that animal cruelty?


it's as much art as any other thing in the art gallery

bruise_violet 04-13-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless (Post 469327)
i knew there would be a time when my username would apply somewhere.



















btw, the dog wasn't starving.

The whole point of the exhibit was to show you that no one gives a **** about a starving dog when you see it wandering around, but all of a sudden it's in an art gallery and it's animal cruelty. People live with food and resources in their homes and there are animals starving in the town you live in, probably... is that animal cruelty?


it's as much art as any other thing in the art gallery



I'd slap you if I could you are such a reject.

Why could he not have taken a picture of the poor dog then nursed it back to health and taken another picture?

His reasons behind it are understandable but he is being a hypocrite, I used to work in an animal sanctuary starving animals are nothing to brush off as if they are meaningless.

WHY are things like this allowed? I'd have stolen the dog.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 04-13-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bruise violet
but he is being a hypocrite

how so?

he couldn't just take a picture because people see pictures all the time. big deal. its the idea that you go into the art gallery and actually see the dog starving in front of you. the very idea that the dog was chained up in an art gallery is enough for it to be cruelty, just seeing a picture of some starving dog on the street is "sad", but not "cruelty"... so no one gets uppity about it and the artist doesn't get his point across

sweet_nothing 04-13-2008 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469337)
I'd slap you if I could you are such a reject.

You're my new hero....

The Unfan 04-13-2008 06:26 PM

I like how that randomly makes taking a starving dog a big time theft from an art exhibit.

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless (Post 469327)
The whole point of the exhibit was to show you that no one gives a **** about a starving dog when you see it wandering around, but all of a sudden it's in an art gallery and it's animal cruelty. People live with food and resources in their homes and there are animals starving in the town you live in, probably... is that animal cruelty?

Apparently the artist doesn't really give a **** either. Tying it up and letting it starve and preventing it from scavenging is murder. The artist also said it died of natural causes, getting involved basically ruins the natural cause factor.

bruise_violet 04-13-2008 06:27 PM

'artist' said dog didn't want to eat anyway so was definitely going to die whether he starved him or not...

whatever, I have seen dogs about to die and were rescued. This man is no artist, he is a torturer.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 04-13-2008 06:29 PM

its art, whether you like it or not

The Unfan 04-13-2008 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469343)
This man is no artist

See page 2 of this thread.

bruise_violet 04-13-2008 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless (Post 469338)
how so?

he couldn't just take a picture because people see pictures all the time. big deal. its the idea that you go into the art gallery and actually see the dog starving in front of you. the very idea that the dog was chained up in an art gallery is enough for it to be cruelty, just seeing a picture of some starving dog on the street is "sad", but not "cruelty"... so no one gets uppity about it and the artist doesn't get his point across

HOW is he being a hypocrite? Are you pretending to be stupid?

He is trying to show how no one cares about a starving dog so he, himself, starves a dog? I can think of a hundred other ways to get across a similar message. How about he invites people to an animal shelter to show off all the animals there?

Anything can be ****ing art these days. Ridiculous. Let's slaughter some babies and called it anti abortionist.

The Unfan 04-13-2008 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469350)
He is trying to show how no one cares about a starving dog so he, himself, starves a dog?

He's part of everyone.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 04-13-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruise violet
He is trying to show how no one cares about a starving dog so he, himself, starves a dog? I can think of a hundred other ways to get across a similar message. How about he invites people to an animal shelter to show off all the animals there?

are YOU pretending to be stupid?

that would be nowhere near as effective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruise violet
Anything can be ****ing art these days. Ridiculous. Let's slaughter some babies and called it anti abortionist.

making mountains out of molehills here

bruise_violet 04-13-2008 06:40 PM

I don't honestly care about the effectiveness of art when a dying dog is concerned. Like I said, I used to see that stuff every day when I worked in an animal shelter. So obviously, if you can think logically that is, I would never, ever think that such a thing should be allowed, especially as 'art'.

Mountains out of molehills, really now is killing babies a step over the line or is that still allowed to be art?

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 06:41 PM

lol, taking a life to prove taking a life is wrong is counterproductive. No amount of "LOLS IM INTERNET CONTROVERSIAL!" is really going to change that.

The Unfan 04-13-2008 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469366)
I don't honestly care about the effectiveness of art when a dying dog is concerned. Like I said, I used to see that stuff every day when I worked in an animal shelter. So obviously, if you can think logically that is, I would never, ever think that such a thing should be allowed, especially as 'art'.

Mountains out of molehills, really now is killing babies a step over the line or is that still allowed to be art?

Again see page 2 of this thread. Killing babies is art as long as we consider killing to be altering, and babies to be natural.


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