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Alfred 05-03-2008 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy (Post 476229)
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
-Thomas Jefferson

That has nothing to do with what I said.

sleepy jack 05-03-2008 07:46 PM

^It's basically a direct response to your post...

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy (Post 476229)
I find it's vice versa in most cases, but as for your point about religion, my thought is you wouldn't have a standing chance if you were Mormon, a Hindu, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Bahai, really any religion other than some form of Christianity.

Well I agree I just think if you were a Mormon you would have a good deal more chance of getting elected than a Muslim would.

Also about the homosexual thing I understand it can happen in completely reverse where the parent's become to accept homosexuality because their child comes out but at the same time I think the idea's are similar there. You have a belief you put on for everyone and tell people but deep down you have it in you to think totally opposite of that belief. One is more of a revelation while the other's always been there but meh I can't explain this properly so I hope you get what I'm getting at.

Alfred 05-03-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack fire drill (Post 476249)
^It's basically a direct response to your post...

I'm aware, but it still has nothing to do with what I said.

I told him his perception of America is exaggerated, and he responded with that.

sleepy jack 05-03-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 476253)
I'm aware, but it still has nothing to do with what I said.

I told him his perception of America is exaggerated, and he responded with that.

It's really not in this case other cases maybe but not this one. A couple facts for you...

John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are all Christian, not exactly a coincidence if you go through the religious beliefs of all the past presidents you're going to find much more christians that non-christians.

The majority of the nation identifies themselves as christian.

And finally our motto is "In God We Trust"

It's pretty safe to say an atheist doesn't stand nearly as much as a chance running for President as a christian does and seeing as homosexuality is against christian beliefs they don't either.

So please explain what here is exaggerated.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez 05-03-2008 07:59 PM

Well, Mormons are more closely associated with being here than those others.
Although, I wouldn't see how a qualified candidate who was Muslim or Hindu would be any less qualified.
And I get sick of all these people calling into talk radio shows saying, "He's a Muslim," referring to Barrack Obama, or his pastor. It obviously isn't true, and if it was true, I don't see anything wrong with that. They're constantly using it in an inflaming, derogatory way.

Alfred 05-03-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack fire drill (Post 476256)
It's really not in this case other cases maybe but not this one. A couple facts for you...

John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are all Christian, not exactly a coincidence if you go through the religious beliefs of all the past presidents you're going to find much more christians that non-christians.

The majority of the nation identifies themselves as christian.

And finally our motto is "In God We Trust"

It's pretty safe to say an atheist doesn't stand nearly as much as a chance running for President as a christian does and seeing as homosexuality is against christian beliefs they don't either.

So please explain what here is exaggerated.

Gah, Canadian culture interfering with my political posts again.

Apparently Barack Obama supports homosexuality, though. Not sure where I read that.

sleepy jack 05-03-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy (Post 476257)
Well, Mormons are more closely associated with being here than those others.
Although, I wouldn't see how a qualified candidate who was Muslim or Hindu would be any less qualified.
And I get sick of all these people calling into talk radio shows saying, "He's a Muslim," referring to Barrack Obama, or his pastor. It obviously isn't true, and if it was true, I don't see anything wrong with that. They're constantly using it in an inflaming, derogatory way.

I'm not saying I agree with it at all or anything like that in fact I disagree but I've seen (many) Americans confuse Islam/Muslim/Terrorist before. I mean the fact they use it in a derogatory manner and no one says "Who cares?" just "He's not" really does say alot in itself.

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 476260)
Apparently Barack Obama supports homosexuality, though. Not sure where I read that.

A good deal of christians do too and the bible never says "kill homosexuals" or anything but there's a huge difference between supporting something and being something. If you were to be something like that you'd probably (at least in the current acceptance climate) find yourself less welcome than if you just supported it. I've seen homophobia pretty daily and some people (mostly religious wackos) are still pretty avidly against it. I mean in the 50s/60s/70s people we're still fighting for black/woman rights the idea of a black/woman president would've been considered completely crazy. Homosexuals are fighting for their rights now and it's a pretty similar idea.

Alfred 05-03-2008 08:13 PM

I know, but I was responding to this:

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homosexuality is against christian beliefs
The bible does say that, I am aware, but as you said, there are places that say "sex is meant for a man and woman". And there's something about "it is wrong for a man to lie down with another man".

Really, those Christians aren't following their religion very well.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-03-2008 08:18 PM

Oh great , another Christians / Homosexuals argument.

Not had one of those for a couple of weeks.

Alfred 05-03-2008 08:20 PM

Well, that's my last post in this thread. I've learned from past experiances, it's pointless arguing about these matters. 99.9 percent of the time, you're not going to change thier opinions.


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