Steal: Scum. Kill: Accident. (single, effects)

jackhammer · 07-23-2008, 06:33 PM

Steal money or defraud:

BBC NEWS | England | Tees | Canoe fraud couple sent to jail

6 years in Jail.

Hit and Run :

BBC NEWS | Politics | Death driving offences announced
Read: 'Horrendous' sentence.

A fine and 6 penalty license points.

As usual this points to the class system in Britain. Money is worth far more than a human life. While the infamous 'canoe' case is indeed abhorrent especially in the lies that the sons heard about their fathers 'apparent' death, it pales into insignificance to the loss of life.

It seems that if you steal money from the affluent (whether companies or individuals) it is deemed more worthy of a longer prison sentence than a driver killing your son or daughter. ( this is just one of many such cases)

Britain is fast becoming THE nation of ridicule and rightly so.

Barnard17 · 07-24-2008, 03:07 AM

The legal system is about justice, not revenge. Death by Dangerous driving has a much higher legal penalty attributed than Careless driving does, where it's the penalty for careless that you're complaining about. The difference here is intent, not the crime.

It does no good to anybody if you lock somebody up for years on end for careless driving when they're going to be a hundred times more careful after they're killed someone. The canoe couple wilfully and knowingly defrauded the insurance company and so received a higher sentence. Dangerous drivers wilfully and knowingly drive badly and so in the event of death the penalty that they can receive is much higher than what you're complaining about. This isn't class divide this is a mature and unbiased look at the uses and effects of the legal system.

jackhammer · 07-25-2008, 12:28 PM

Jail Sentence For Hitandrun Driver Who Left Boy To Die (from Daily Echo)

20 months for RECKLESS driving, perverting the course of justice, leaving the scene of an accident, driving uninsured and without tax and driving dangerously as he left the scene.

While you make some valid points, this is just one of a HUGE number of cases where monetary crimes were far more punishable and recieve higher sentences than serious physical harm (death, disablement etc).

I have talked to many friends about this and they agree that it does seem to be more henious if you defraud money than kill. As for the class divide statement- I stand by what I say and they are what I have deduced from this. It is not the state across the board but I firmly believe that this is the case.

If I am proved wrong-fantastic. I can put my suspicious mind at ease. This is for debate not for finality.

Barnard17 · 07-25-2008, 03:21 PM

Case study. Proves that the Lawyers and Judge in that one case were (comparatively) negligent of Justice. Your claim that it's a result of class divide causing bias has sound basis. Doesn't offer proof that this is an across the board bias. For example if the guy had been prosecuted as Dangerous driving and the Judge had come down hard the result would have been far different. Also consider that the case of the Darwin defrauding was big news which may have caused the Judge to come down more harshly so as to be seen to be making a difference.

Your claim lacks the backing of a general quantitative statistic that suggest that this is thematic. It also lacks qualitative depth that would be gained from, for example, interviewing the Judges that passed sentence to see why they issued prison sentences for the periods that they did.

jackhammer · 07-25-2008, 04:56 PM

My 'claim' is a mere observance and nothing more. It is obvious that your use of the English language far over rides mine, yet I feel that it is a thinly veiled excuse to verbally bully my (obvious) lack of intelligence to your own.

Are not many posts thematic and lack relavant statistics (I replaced quantitive statistics for the plebians here) on message boards? If we are to provide proof for every single opinion, then we would be buried asunder in a sheer deluge of opinions and counter opinions?

Just because I am questioning the English judicial process, it does'nt mean that I should automatically interview every judge who is in practise of English law.

Because of your linguistical dexterity and succinct posting may I deduce that you have recieved some form of higher education?

right-track · 07-25-2008, 04:58 PM

He's a Uni student.

That and he doesn't like you.

Have you graduated Fal?

adidasss · 07-25-2008, 05:05 PM

Isn't he still a teenager? How can he graduate from Uni?

jackhammer · 07-25-2008, 05:05 PM

I know that. I will lose but I go down fighting damn you! I am just a kid from a council estate with illusions of grandeur!

Piss Me Off · 07-25-2008, 05:07 PM

You wait 'till i'm at Uni, i'll be de-modded in seconds.

right-track · 07-25-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss

Isn't he still a teenager? How can he graduate from Uni?

I thought he's done his A levels and was looking for a University ages ago...could be wrong. :/

07-23-2008, 06:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Steal: Scum. Kill: Accident. Steal money or defraud: BBC NEWS \| England \| Tees \| Canoe fraud couple sent to jail 6 years in Jail. Hit and Run : BBC NEWS \| Politics \| Death driving offences announced Read: 'Horrendous' sentence. A fine and 6 penalty license points. As usual this points to the class system in Britain. Money is worth far more than a human life. While the infamous 'canoe' case is indeed abhorrent especially in the lies that the sons heard about their fathers 'apparent' death, it pales into insignificance to the loss of life. It seems that if you steal money from the affluent (whether companies or individuals) it is deemed more worthy of a longer prison sentence than a driver killing your son or daughter. ( this is just one of many such cases) Britain is fast becoming THE nation of ridicule and rightly so. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

07-25-2008, 12:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Jail Sentence For Hitandrun Driver Who Left Boy To Die (from Daily Echo) 20 months for RECKLESS driving, perverting the course of justice, leaving the scene of an accident, driving uninsured and without tax and driving dangerously as he left the scene. While you make some valid points, this is just one of a HUGE number of cases where monetary crimes were far more punishable and recieve higher sentences than serious physical harm (death, disablement etc). I have talked to many friends about this and they agree that it does seem to be more henious if you defraud money than kill. As for the class divide statement- I stand by what I say and they are what I have deduced from this. It is not the state across the board but I firmly believe that this is the case. If I am proved wrong-fantastic. I can put my suspicious mind at ease. This is for debate not for finality. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

07-25-2008, 04:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	My 'claim' is a mere observance and nothing more. It is obvious that your use of the English language far over rides mine, yet I feel that it is a thinly veiled excuse to verbally bully my (obvious) lack of intelligence to your own. Are not many posts thematic and lack relavant statistics (I replaced quantitive statistics for the plebians here) on message boards? If we are to provide proof for every single opinion, then we would be buried asunder in a sheer deluge of opinions and counter opinions? Just because I am questioning the English judicial process, it does'nt mean that I should automatically interview every judge who is in practise of English law. Because of your linguistical dexterity and succinct posting may I deduce that you have recieved some form of higher education? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

07-25-2008, 05:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Isn't he still a teenager? How can he graduate from Uni? __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

07-25-2008, 05:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	I know that. I will lose but I go down fighting damn you! I am just a kid from a council estate with illusions of grandeur! __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

07-24-2008, 03:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	The legal system is about justice, not revenge. Death by Dangerous driving has a much higher legal penalty attributed than Careless driving does, where it's the penalty for careless that you're complaining about. The difference here is intent, not the crime. It does no good to anybody if you lock somebody up for years on end for careless driving when they're going to be a hundred times more careful after they're killed someone. The canoe couple wilfully and knowingly defrauded the insurance company and so received a higher sentence. Dangerous drivers wilfully and knowingly drive badly and so in the event of death the penalty that they can receive is much higher than what you're complaining about. This isn't class divide this is a mature and unbiased look at the uses and effects of the legal system.

07-25-2008, 03:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	Case study. Proves that the Lawyers and Judge in that one case were (comparatively) negligent of Justice. Your claim that it's a result of class divide causing bias has sound basis. Doesn't offer proof that this is an across the board bias. For example if the guy had been prosecuted as Dangerous driving and the Judge had come down hard the result would have been far different. Also consider that the case of the Darwin defrauding was big news which may have caused the Judge to come down more harshly so as to be seen to be making a difference. Your claim lacks the backing of a general quantitative statistic that suggest that this is thematic. It also lacks qualitative depth that would be gained from, for example, interviewing the Judges that passed sentence to see why they issued prison sentences for the periods that they did.

07-25-2008, 04:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	He's a Uni student. That and he doesn't like you. Have you graduated Fal?

07-25-2008, 05:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	You wait 'till i'm at Uni, i'll be de-modded in seconds. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape