This generation isn't stupid, we're just different. (house, punk, careers)

adidasss · 08-21-2008, 05:29 AM

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Because those bits of knowledge no longer apply.

What knowledge? Math, English, geography, history?

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Why should we know about how they did things if those things just don't matter anymore?

What things?

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I think it is largely the reason those things no longer apply.

What things? A little coherence and some better articulation wouldn't hurt.

Double X · 08-21-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I had two teachers in high school that were actually good. TWO. Out of thirty.

Aren't you in college now? The freshman professors who teach general studies are always garbage anyways. I had probably one teacher who sucked but it was a art class, and 3 who were very good.

WolfAtTheDoor · 08-21-2008, 11:08 AM

I am 17 years old and live in the UK. There are many, MANY ridiculously stupid individuals that you come across that are my age, but I think it's mainly because the stupid ones are more often than not the most arrogant ones, therefore get noticed more... stupidity is allowed in todays society, whereas back in the older generations youthood yobbish behaviour would not be tolerated, in this day and age the youth seem to get away with it.

However, I think that the 'chav' are a dying breed. I think many of them are growing up now and the streets are a lot less intimidating than they used to be. Well it's either that, or it's because now I'm with a more intimidating bunch of people who would knock the **** out of those little bastards.

joyboyo53 · 08-21-2008, 11:31 AM

People of the younger generation are almost always smarter, and people of the older generation are almost always more wise.

Young people almost always think older people are out to get them, they just want them to avoid the same mistakes they made.

Old people almost always think younger people are stupid, they forget what its like to be ignorant and not set in their ways.

The first step to understanding eachother is to listen to one another, not write them off.

Young people have no idea what it was like to grow up in the 'days of old', and old people have no idea what it is like to grow up in the 'days of new'; think 'Apples and Oranges'.

For the record, the unfan is a punk so it makes sense that you feel like old people berate you... its likely deserved.

cardboard adolescent · 08-21-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

So, I noticed this odd running theme when conversing with older people about how this generation (By that I mean the 20 somethings and 30 somethings) are less intelligent than their generation is. So I decided to bring up this discussion with my mom where we discussed the differences in generation and it seems that older people have this perception based on some lapses in knowledge about things that really just don't apply to us.

Of course we're not knowledgeable on every topic because sometimes we just don't care. It isn't that we're less intelligent, its that we're more apathetic. And I think that it is largely due to the internet. I mean, we don't necessarily need to know everything about all the social mannerisms, geography, or traditional business models because for the first time in history all societies are one and the same and located at the same place. It used to be that we learned a certain set of manners, but can that same set of manners really be applied now? Probably not when you consider that the social norms in Germany, China, and Sweden are all different and I can now sign on at any hour and talk to people from all 3 places almost as if they were in my living room. It used to be that business had to be done a specific way, but with the internet marketing and commerce are really different, especially in media based businesses.

With that said, does anyone feel this generation is highly misunderstood because we recognize how much different the internet makes society as a whole or even that the internet as a whole is a new sort of society in and of itself?

I think most people in our generation are nihilists and just don't realize it yet. We live in a world of hyper-simulation where everything we do almost screams its meaninglessness at us. Our parents were probably the last generation to have the comfortable illusion of progress, and now they stare confusedly at us while we beat our heads against the wall.

Son of JayJamJah · 08-21-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

I think most people in our generation are nihilists and just don't realize it yet. We live in a world of hyper-simulation where everything we do almost screams its meaninglessness at us. Our parents were probably the last generation to have the comfortable illusion of progress, and now they stare confusedly at us while we beat our heads against the wall.

There is an element of truth to that but I think we're along ways away from being a Nihilistic society. Socially we're more nihilistic and there is an undeniable element of instant gratification that is more prevalent today but it's still a compassionate society on the whole.

Wifey Boozer · 08-21-2008, 01:39 PM

^ I don't think we're compassionate... not as we were back in the day. Violence is more publicized today, so people's faith in humanity and trust in strangers are declining - I don't know whether it's good or bad... but bystander-apathy is at it's all time high. There was an old man dying on the sidewalk in NYC, this was in the news recently, and people just stopped and stared, walked over him, and took pictures with their cellphones.

Son of JayJamJah · 08-21-2008, 01:50 PM

In the 1940's American's watched as an entire race of people we're rounded up and put into internment camps.

In the 50's we segregated, schools, doctors, restaurants etc.

In the 60's we attacked American Solders returning from war.

Still far from perfect but it feels like things are moving in the right direction.

Wifey Boozer · 08-21-2008, 01:54 PM

^ Yes, true, granted. Not neglecting those. But I should've been more clear. See I wasn't alive in those days but it didn't seem as if the evening news was televising random acts of violence that illustrated a decline in the caliber of human morale... crackheads killing people for a hit, 16 year olds thinking they have to defend their minority by joining amateur street gangs and doing drivebys, single astray bullets hitting 9 year old girls on their front lawns... There's never been a peaceful time, but this ain't exactly one either. I don't believe things are better. Just different. A different breed of violence and degeneratism.

Son of JayJamJah · 08-21-2008, 02:03 PM

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^ Yes, true, granted. Not neglecting those. But I should've been more clear. See I wasn't alive in those days but it didn't seem as if the evening news was televising random acts of violence that illustrated a decline in the caliber of human morale... crackheads killing people for a hit, 16 year olds thinking they have to defend their minority by joining amateur street gangs and doing drivebys, single astray bullets hitting 9 year old girls on their front lawns... There's never been a peaceful time, but this ain't exactly one either. I don't believe things are better. Just different. A different breed of violence and degeneratism.

The same and worse things have always gone one, this is just the first generation to see them televised. I agree it's much different we can choose to see some of the most horrific and gruesome things imaginable. But we still have the choice.

Again history provides plenty of examples. The Gauls, The Visigoths, The Romans, The Egyptians even in early America, scalping by Native Americans and the immigrant Europeans horrible acts of violence.

We are probably a less violent society today then ever (In the USA) It's just the publicizing of everything that has changed, and it's a big change that can feel unsettling in contrast.

08-21-2008, 01:39 PM	#27 (permalink)
Wifey Boozer Meanie McFeany Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Troy side'ah the dirt, NY Posts: 455	^ I don't think we're compassionate... not as we were back in the day. Violence is more publicized today, so people's faith in humanity and trust in strangers are declining - I don't know whether it's good or bad... but bystander-apathy is at it's all time high. There was an old man dying on the sidewalk in NYC, this was in the news recently, and people just stopped and stared, walked over him, and took pictures with their cellphones. __________________ ... Stalin had a *FANTASTIC* moustache. Formerly known as the Prime Minister of Spain. [backintheubbr]

08-21-2008, 01:54 PM	#29 (permalink)
Wifey Boozer Meanie McFeany Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Troy side'ah the dirt, NY Posts: 455	^ Yes, true, granted. Not neglecting those. But I should've been more clear. See I wasn't alive in those days but it didn't seem as if the evening news was televising random acts of violence that illustrated a decline in the caliber of human morale... crackheads killing people for a hit, 16 year olds thinking they have to defend their minority by joining amateur street gangs and doing drivebys, single astray bullets hitting 9 year old girls on their front lawns... There's never been a peaceful time, but this ain't exactly one either. I don't believe things are better. Just different. A different breed of violence and degeneratism. __________________ ... Stalin had a *FANTASTIC* moustache. Formerly known as the Prime Minister of Spain. [backintheubbr]

08-21-2008, 11:08 AM	#23 (permalink)
WolfAtTheDoor ironing your socks Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I'm in a rocknroll band. huh. Posts: 396	I am 17 years old and live in the UK. There are many, MANY ridiculously stupid individuals that you come across that are my age, but I think it's mainly because the stupid ones are more often than not the most arrogant ones, therefore get noticed more... stupidity is allowed in todays society, whereas back in the older generations youthood yobbish behaviour would not be tolerated, in this day and age the youth seem to get away with it. However, I think that the 'chav' are a dying breed. I think many of them are growing up now and the streets are a lot less intimidating than they used to be. Well it's either that, or it's because now I'm with a more intimidating bunch of people who would knock the **** out of those little bastards.

08-21-2008, 11:31 AM	#24 (permalink)
joyboyo53 down the rabbit hole Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 764	People of the younger generation are almost always smarter, and people of the older generation are almost always more wise. Young people almost always think older people are out to get them, they just want them to avoid the same mistakes they made. Old people almost always think younger people are stupid, they forget what its like to be ignorant and not set in their ways. The first step to understanding eachother is to listen to one another, not write them off. Young people have no idea what it was like to grow up in the 'days of old', and old people have no idea what it is like to grow up in the 'days of new'; think 'Apples and Oranges'. For the record, the unfan is a punk so it makes sense that you feel like old people berate you... its likely deserved.