If we managed to create a sentient computer that was smarter than us, would you condone it using our biomass to power itself due to it being smarter. That's a similar argument.

if it had solutions to a lot of problems plaguing mankind, i would have no problems sending a few sacrificial lambs to it or even power it myself

yep yep saw it on Manswers one time and i've heard it other places as well but here's the video of it.

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Because of the laws of kashrut (Jewish food laws), I am not allowed to eat an animal which hasn't been slaughtered ritually by the shochet (kosher butcher), even where I would actively choose to eat meat.

Hahaha, if they said it on Manswers, it must be true.

Obviously! you didn't watch it and see the doctor's analysis

Haha, well. I've watched a few episodes of Manswers, and my primary problem with it is that they focus on a small truth that men want to hear, and then they trim the information to fit the story, while disregarding any information that isn't entertaining. I've seen it done on a number of occasions where, f.ex. they'll tell you that beer is healthier to drink than wine, when the reality is that it may be better in one aspect, but not in the rest.

I don't mind so much that the whole show is about beer, sex, and bodily functions, so much as the information presented about them isn't all that accurate.

Understandable, Manswers isn't the first place I've heard that though, just the last place/time I've heard it so it was easy to refer to it.

lol who would believe that drinking beer is healthier than wine though?

Men. Who like beer.

I'm allergic to the fermentation process of wine. Gives me migraine headaches. Therefore beer is a healthier alternative.

drink beer but also drink grape/cranberry juice as well

Cranberry juice and other juices are no problem with my vodka, they don't go through the same process as fermenting.

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Tried out AU LAC the other day on a veggie kick. Food was awesome, they do the raw veggie thing very well. Also Native Foods on the list is outstanding.

So it's intelligence that decides whether or not something can be eaten? Can we eat the retarded? What about the catatonic? What about babies? What about people in a vegetative state? None of them are really on the same intellectual level as a "normal" human.

I must ask you to define what exactly it is about human "sapiency" that makes them exempt from the same lack of consideration that we give animals. At this point I'm sort of guessing what your standards are. I'm coming to the conclusion that you don't really have a clear, definite idea yourself.

no, i'm just clutching at straws myself

i'm not really into cannibalism, anyways, those people have some sort of condition

I can tell. Which is why I'm trying to get you thinking outside society's accepted beliefs on the subject. I'm not entirely sure of my own beliefs on life and all that muckety muck. It's hard, but if there's a reason why life should be preserved, that reason should be clearly defined as much as possible, instead of relying on outdated and useless concepts like souls and being a "superior" species.

i already said i don't think there's any religious, moral or scientific justification for eating meat

it's just me trying to justify my own complacency and/or just intellectual wanking, you choose

LOL. Just saw this in Burning Down's sig. How did I miss this? That's hilarious.

It's ****ing classic.

Although we can't know for sure, it seems reasonable that other mammals like pigs who we are relatively closely related to are similar to us when it comes to emotions and so on. Feelings motivate us into action and I'm pretty sure those roughly same feelings are what motivates pigs, dogs, cows and other social mammals.

I like morale theory a lot, but since I first read any of it, it struck me that people don't follow them. Just about none of us follow any normative ethic or moral principles like utilitarism to the letter. The reason, I believe, is that we are not rational beings and our morale is hard coded into us and it's not very well described by current morale theories. Even though we'd like to follow any theory, most of us end up following our gut feelings and so these morale theories are mostly for guidance when moral situations become extreme, such as matters of life and death, or for providing arguments in moral discussions.

Relating it to this thread, you can tell someone why it might be wrong to eat meat from a point of view, but if that person doesn't feel wrong when eating it, he or she is not gonna change. And, if he or she does feel bad when eating meat, then it's not because of what the morale theory says.

^^to simply, it's moral relativisim

Do we really need another one of these threads?

No, not really :p:

Eh? How is the fermentation process for beer different from that of wine?

I think it's the additional sulfites in wine that does it, not the fermentation. I know if you make wine at home and use some kind of kit, they want you to add a bunch of sulfites to keep the wine from getting too fermented too quickly or something.

Also, to keep this on topic - a lot of homemade wine kits include little bags of stuff that you're supposed to add to weigh down the sediment that forms and this stuff is usually something made from shellfish. So home-vinting vegetarians beware. And I've had too much beer to back this up with technical data right now so look it up if you're interested.

This applies to some beers as well, mainly unfiltered cask ales, which use a byproduct of the swim bladders of fish called isinglass to clear excess yeast from the ale.

Interesting. I try to stay up to speed on my knowledge of animal by-products but I've never heard of isinglass before.

I haven't heard it called isinglass and I had been told fish bladders rather than swim bladders. You wonder who comes up with this stuff. I guess if the animal is killed anyway then finding a use for the by-products makes sense but I'd like to know what to avoid if I choose not to consume them.

No. It looks nasty. Give me an apple.

Did you guys know that gelatin made from animal skins is used in film for cameras? That's one thing I was never aware of. (5:13)