A question to vegetarians (quote)

Astronomer · 11-29-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

Something's life is of value when it loves and can be loved. Animals have got the latter going for them, but I don't believe they have the first. Mentally handicapped people (except perhaps the most extreme cases) have both.

You can't say this because you don't know. You don't know that mentally handicapped people can love any more than if animals can love.

khfreek · 11-29-2008, 01:26 AM

I can't know. It's what I think based on the evidence provided.

sleepy jack · 11-29-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

Something's life is of value when it loves and can be loved. Animals have got the latter going for them, but I don't believe they have the first. Mentally handicapped people (except perhaps the most extreme cases) have both.

That's an incredibly flimsy standard. You really should have some objective footing before calling people idiots on an opinion you base strictly on love.

Astronomer · 11-29-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

Ask the millions of parents who have loved and raised mentally challenged kids. I'm sure they have plenty of evidence.

And I'm sure people who have loved and raised and worked with animals all their lives can say the exact same thing.

khfreek · 11-29-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

That's an incredibly flimsy standard. You really should have some objective footing before calling people idiots on an opinion you base strictly on love.

Dude, you said earlier that you value human life above animal life, so why does it matter what my standard is? As long as I realize that animals are not as important as humans, we're on the same side on this one <_<

sleepy jack · 11-29-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

Dude, you said earlier that you value human life above animal life, so why does it matter what my standard is? As long as I realize that animals are not as important as humans, we're on the same side on this one <_<

I never said that.

khfreek · 11-29-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shiseido_red

And I'm sure people who have loved and raised and worked with animals all their lives can say the exact same thing.

And for each story you tell me, I can tell you how each "loving gesture" made by said animals were for their own benefit in the long run.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

If I see a baby about to die and a puppy about to die who am I going to save? The baby but if I can save both then why not?

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sleepy jack · 11-29-2008, 01:38 AM

Saving a baby over the puppy means I value the baby's life more you know.

khfreek · 11-29-2008, 01:40 AM

Yes, I know... unless you're being sarcastic. In which case I don't see how you can save someone's life over another's and not value the one you save over the other.

Astronomer · 11-29-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

And for each story you tell me, I can tell you how each "loving gesture" made by said animals were for their own benefit in the long run.

And how can you say that humans actions aren't for their own benefit as well?

11-29-2008, 01:26 AM	#72 (permalink)
khfreek What a guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,123	I can't know. It's what I think based on the evidence provided. __________________ last.fm

11-29-2008, 01:40 AM	#79 (permalink)
khfreek What a guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,123	Yes, I know... unless you're being sarcastic. In which case I don't see how you can save someone's life over another's and not value the one you save over the other. __________________ last.fm