They were the best of the purely trashy Psychopathic artists, but they were still not great in any way, shape, or form. I like about half of One Less G in tha Hood, but other than that Blaze can go **** himself. He's a fun feature rapper cause of his voice, but as a solo artist he sucks more often than he doesn't. And Boondox only has the odd song that isn't trash, and even then he's still trash.

Both are equally responsible imo. ICP cause of just how hard they ****ing tried to set up the family, but Twiztid cause after Mostetaseless they toed the Psychopathic line ****ing hard. After a while they started doing their own thing but they still were all about that cringey, depressive, outsider schtick that the post-"ICP not being ****" thing that defined latter day juggalo culture when it stopped being about actual horrorcore.

Oh and saying all that this is still the most underrated song from Freek Show and I don't know why it isn't deified by juggalos.

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I don't even care that it's Pizza Hut. Hand-tossed Pizza Hut is actually kinda underrated and I just got my next two days of food decided without me having to leave the house along with cheese sticks.

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Hand tossed* like Charbroiled*

It's ****ing pizza. I don't need 5 star.

I didn't realize that you had specified Pizza Hut's hand tossed pizza as underrated, I thought you were saying that hand tossed pizza is generally underrated and you were excited that Pizza Hut had gotten in on the fun. Which I find funniful.

I'm more happy that it tastes infinitely better than their pan pizza, which is like eating hobo feces. It's just that nobody ever considers their other crusts.

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i was hella worried about my midterm for quantitive methods tomorrow but then i remembered im going to see cloud nothings and japandroids afterwards so now all of a sudden im like **** studying i dont even care if i fail

I don't care if you fail either if it makes you feel better.

i would say the same to you but i think we both know you've rock bottomed years ago

Bro, I could actually get lower. Never forget that. You can get lower than living with your mother and working at Burger King. It can get so much worse and don't ever forget it while living in your libertarian paradise of middle class ignorance. I think that might have actually been an insult but I suspect I just need another beer. I definitely just need another beer and a dentist. Honestly I think the two might go hand in hand.

to be fair i was born into a lower middle class family who lived outside of their means and by chance and hard work my father found a good job in his 40s and now my parents are finally in a spot where they aren't living off of credit lines.

but yeah, i'm grateful for what i have, but don't chalk up your working at burger king and living at home as some life is hard bs. you and i both know it's down to your own laziness and general inability to actually commit to something that isn't alcoholism.

Indeed. But don't ever think that your current outlook isn't almost entirely dependent on how much money your parents have while you're dependent on them. I'm living the lower class life, but have considered myself middle class for all my life due to my family's middle class money even though I had not much of it. Your current outlook is not dependent on your own real opinions and I can almost guarantee it, cause why the **** would I honestly consider myself middle class? And why the **** would your dependent ass think anything of a meritocracy?

this might make sense but i'm 80% sure it doesn't

I added this.

i dunno, maybe because it makes more sense?

if i learned anything from my parents it's that opportunities don't just fall onto your lap, you need to go out there and earn something if you really want it. my father dropped out of high school in grade 9 and worked a dead end job for 20+ years of his life. seeing where he's at and where he could've still been is one of the biggest things that drives me to succeed in life. i fear a life similar to what his was.

also that argument that i'm "dependent" on my parents is pretty weak. since i've started university they have given me all of 0$. i worked at the very least 45 hours a week from April through to September (i'd wager more hours than you work in a calendar year) in order to give me the money I need to buy groceries, pay rent, cell bills, etc. and also owe the government over $20,000 in student loans.

all you have in life is the hand that your dealt, and as cliche'd as it is, it's up to you to either work with it or fold. i prefer to make the most out of it.

Either wait until you have to make good on that debt or try it in America.

why? this stems from Batlord calling me entitled and acting like my opinion isn't valid because of it. all i'm saying is at the point where i'm at in my life, i have paid for everything either out of pocket or with debt that will follow me for quite a bit of my adult life. both of which are available to Batlord as well. i'm not saying i've had a hard life, but i'm not going to concede that i've had an "easy" life either.

life is what it is. like i said, you get what you get, it's up to you to make the most of it. it's not really surprising that trying to make something of your self yields better results than complaining about it.

btw, i'm not saying this applies everywhere. there are exceptions where life really has stopped you from going anywhere in our society. think single mother of 4, ex-convict, lack of any parental figure, etc. but if batlord is trying to pin his current situation on anything but his own decisions than he's just choosing to be ignorant to the reality of the situation.

It's not an either/or situation.

And I said wait until your loans kick in because I could afford rent and all of my bills when I was in school too.

I really hope that you make it in life and think you will, but don't ever think that your view on life isn't dependent on your parents and the life they've given you. If they've given you a great work ethic then run with that ****, but just remember that you came from a middle class family who probably made it clear that you're also expected to continue what they started. You might be working your ass off, but if you'd come from a poor background you'd probably be taking that same work ethic to be the best poor dude you can be. For all my lack of accomplishment, much of my lack of self-esteem has been entirely due to my failure to live up to my middle-class family. If my family had been poor when I became cognizant then I'd probably be much more satisfied with my poverty, but they weren't and I am not. Don't let where you are now fool you to where you could have been in other circumstances.

I mean if there's one thing that my association with so many lower class individuals has given me it's that perspective is absolutely everything when it comes to your station in life, even with opportunity.

what's not an either/or? making the most out of your life or complaining? i never said it was. but i'm saying i would rather do the former than the latter as it's sure to help you in the long run.

yeah again this is pretty irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. student loans are available for anyone so long as their parents make under a certain threshold of money. and they will **** us all in the ass when we have to start paying them back.

oh i totally agree with you on that. things can always be worse than they are. but at the end of the day all you can do is try your hardest to work through it if you want to escape. there's no guarantee you will, sure, but that's the sad reality of capitalism. some people are lucky enough to have work ethic beat into you like i was, others need to learn it themselves.

btw the alcohol is making you emotional again, way to go way overboard off of a joke i made.

You sure didn't say that it was. I meant that you were posing Batlord's income as either being created by his environment or by his laziness when it's clearly both that are at play.

It's totally relevant because this great solution to all of my problems that I had to work hard for isn't paying off when I can't support myself despite working 60 hours a week.

yes but his environment isn't going to fix his problems for him, that's on his own shoulders. you can't control your environment, you can control your own actions. this is like the 3rd or 4th time i've said this.


yeah i still don't understand where you're going with this. i brought up student loans as evidence that i'm not any more dependent on my parents than batlord is. sorry you can't repay your student loans, i'm safe to say you aren't in the minority on that one either. i never said hard work will instantly fix all of your problems and you'll live happily ever after. i said all you can do to try and improve your situation is work your hardest. whether or not it works isn't my point, you can take that one up with Goofle or some other capitalist.

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I mean yeah, I'm emotional, but what I'm telling you is true. If your family had been poor, and you'd been raised as poor, you would not have the same perspective you have now, and all the drive you have now would likely not have put you where you are now. Much of class is built on the expectations of those who built your life and the social inertia that you feel. Do you think that you'd be working as hard to build a middle class life for yourself if you didn't have middle class people building in you the desire to continue to be a middle class person? I'm definitely an outlier to be honest as far as the middle class are concerned, as I've put myself down into the lower classes, but do you really think ALL of those people in the lower class with me are as lazy and ineffectual as I am? They would have killed for my opportunities, and would almost certainly have done far more with them, but they didn't have them, didn't have those driving factors for putting them into a middle class mindset, didn't have my mother grandparentsunclesaunts all berating them constantly to make middle class persons of themselves like they did, and so didn't rise from it. And that's not even considering all of those other economic factors that keep the lower classes in the lower classes. But you are certainly not more special than all those people I know who work two jobs and don't realistically consider that they could maybe have tried for a four year degree that they couldn't even have afforded without a full ride or working those same hours that their parents did just to survive as they saw their entire lives. Or do you actually think you are more special?

I'm not even mad. Seriously I'm not. You're a good dude, and I think and hope you'll become something good, but you have a very shortsighted view of the world and I think you'll only better the rest of the world if you as a middle class dude open your mind to a non-middle class world. For all the garbage I've heaped upon myself that is one thing that has done me some good, as I used to think like you do and now I realize just how limited my mindset was.

no, and i didn't say i was. there are people who are in situations they are in because life as stacked the deck against them, as i've mentioned. there are also people who are in situations they are in because they're unmotivated or just don't strive to get any further. as frownland is sure to hop on my dick about, there are people dealing with both as well. you took an argument i was aiming directly at you and exclusively you and just applied it to an entire class of people.

agree or disagree, the only realistic way batlord is going to get out of his current situation is through working hard? now before you say something irrelevant about your student loans again, i'm not saying a week of hard work will make Batlord a millionaire. i'm saying is it or is it not the most reasonable answer to his situation in his life.

oh and btw im sigging this so that every time you're sober you'll feel embarrassed

I don't think you've really understood this. If you don't think you're better than all those lower class individuals who have been seriously busting their ass to make it in life, to make their children's' lives better, and who have been doing everything they can to not starve to death, why are you in college and they are not? It really is as simple as that.

I'm not going to feel embarrassed. This is how I really feel and even if I'm drunk (**** off) this is still true ****. This is not me going off on Frown or Elph cause I'm bored or mad or whatever the ****. I ****ing like you and **** and eat my ****. You can be something good in life, but I just hope you get over libertarianism, and I honestly think you will. It's a limiting mindset as I have very much learned.

Maybe it's the Coltrane but I feel good about this post. Shut up, Frown.

because life's a bitch and there's no such thing as fair in the world that we live in. i said nothing that should lead you to believe that i think otherwise. money = opportunity and power, no doubt. but money comes and goes as well. sometimes all you can do is make the most of a ****ty situation.

Disagree. He can win the lottery, start a randomly successful youtube channel, schmooze a rich old lady, etc.

You just think that my point about student loans is irrelevant because you don't want to admit that advising a poor person to commit to long-term debt with mad rates is ****ty advice. Plus, it would be even worse for Batlord since they would base the terms of his loan based on whether or not he has a safety net to fall on like a middle class family. There are far more practical steps that he can take before he embarks on a subprime education. Maybe the companies that provide your student loans don't use the spiked dildo, but in America, they do and they make it spin too.

Now all you have to do is realize what all this has to do with class and how it does not equate to how not doing well in life necessarily means that you don't deserve to have done well in life and to apply this to your actual mindset. Clearly you're not one of those libertarian retards who will bend their opinions to suit their capitalist boner no matter what, but you just need a little more context in the real world I suppose.

And so I have successfully deflected this away from my own laziness. Wasn't that how this all started? If not then disregard this and consider how you are a bad person.

Oh **** as a highschool dropout I didn't even know that student loan rates are dependent on your family's income. Is that real **** with a link? Apparently I was seriously ignorant. That's some horrific ****.

oh and i've discussed this with frown before when we're talking about the constitution or some ****. i don't really consider myself to be much of a libertarian, i just clung to the party during the last election cycle because it was a more sensible option than any of the others.

there is no political solution that i see to the problems we're discussing. capitalism means the less money you have the harder you're screwed, in another situation it would just be some other metric that decides it as well. is IQ a better metric? penis size? attractiveness? no, because there will always, always, always be people born **** out of luck. but going back to my original point that started this all, at the end of the day, regardless of anything, in North America right now, hard work is the most viable option to improve your life.

please don't take me as saying that hard work will fix everything and that some people aren't way past the point of being able to control their situation because i've already clarified this 5 or 6 times now.

i mean in batlord's situation (which is the exact situation we were discussing) he could work hard and save his money, try to move up within the BK ladder, work and attend school part time.

Elphenor is literally doing exactly that atm btw, man has no student loans, pays for school out of pocket by working hard at a ****ty job.

but yes frown, please tell me again how hard it is to pay off student loans, i have no idea about how that works and need to be enlightened.

i know exactly what this has to do with class and i'm quite sure i've explained that multiple times at this point.

Not talking to Frown for any reason other than I legit think Coltrane might have made me a better person short term in this discussion. A Love Supreme just felt right, bro. **** you, yeah I'm drunk but it all just felt good.