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kibbeh · 02-19-2017, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

no. if you listen to him speak he makes a clear distinction between the different religious groups under the umbrella. he never says that all muslims are the enemy or anything along those lines, but i do also think that there are some right-wing no minds who spin his words to help them prech their anti-muslim rhetoric.

he has also clarfied hundreds of times (literally) that he is not discussing every muslim, but he cannot make the distinction every time it comes up. people should be able to understand that he does not mean every single muslim.

no

you listen to him speak

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Most important of all - to me - is the fact that Harris has used his views about Islam to justify a wide range of vile policies aimed primarily if not exclusively at Muslims, from torture ("there are extreme circumstances in which I believe that practices like 'water-boarding' may not only be ethically justifiable, but ethically necessary"); to steadfast support for Israel, which he considers morally superior to its Muslim adversaries ("In their analyses of US and Israeli foreign policy, liberals can be relied on to overlook the most basic moral distinctions. For instance, they ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. . . . there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah"); to anti-Muslim profiling ("We should profile Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim, and we should be honest about it"); to state violence ("On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right. This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that 'liberals are soft on terrorism.' It is, and they are").

he is vile

torture is disgusting, profiling is disgusting, israel, if you look at its history and at the facts INTENTIONALLY targets civilians and is ethnically cleansing an entire population and is the farthest thing from being a moral state. criticizing muslim countries is absolutely fine but doing so just to try and make excuses for israel is disgusting. there is NO excuse for murder.

i dislike him because he has ****ty views and opinions

i mean idc this won't change my opinion of u but i didn't take u for a sam harris cock sucker tbh :/

DwnWthVwls · 02-18-2017, 12:02 PM

Huh? Are you also against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz?

kibbeh · 02-18-2017, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Huh?

haven't seen this, i'll watch it later

02-18-2017, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Huh? Are you also against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz?

Ayaan >>>

djchameleon · 02-18-2017, 07:43 PM

Sam Harris and Bill Maher can go **** themselves when it comes to their views on Islam.

They keep swearing up and down that it's the most dangerous religion blah blah blah. I can't stand Sam Harris but I can tolerate Bill Maher. I just don't like his views on Islam and something else which I can't think of atm.

kibbeh · 02-19-2017, 10:08 AM

the problem with him justifying torture for men who are 'like osama bin laden' is the fact that many of the men that america tortures for being 'like osama bin laden' are in fact NOT 'like osama bin laden' and get held without any evidence and without even a trial but because they look like dirty muzzies and were probably in the wrong place at the wrong time but hey i guess lifes not fair

still nothing justifies him making excuses for racial profiling or for being so defensive of israel and its war crimes

read a book

sam harris is a pseudo intellectual

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-19-2017, 10:21 AM

sure but i think he definitely has a point regarding dropping bombs. how many casualities died during obama's presidency through drone strikes? whenever i bring that up people call me a right-winger and an obama hater but if 1/4 of the casualties had of been tortured, everyone would care.

kibbeh · 02-19-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

sure but i think he definitely has a point regarding dropping bombs. how many casualities died during obama's presidency through drone strikes? whenever i bring that up people call me a right-winger and an obama hater but if 1/4 of the casualties had of been tortured, everyone would care.

i never said dropping bombs wasn't wrong

dropping bombs on people = wrong

torturing people especially those who you have arrested with no evidence and without a trial = wrong

its not that complicated

you know that you can be against dropping bombs AND against torturing innocent people, yeah?

Tristan_Geoff · 02-20-2017, 08:30 PM

Got this gem in the free bin at Sorry State

Got this for $7 at Sorry State

Got these for a dollar each at Sorry State (minus the Melvins and Bad Brains, I made those myself)

**Frownland** · 02-20-2017, 09:37 PM

What did you get for $7?

02-19-2017, 10:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
kibbeh kibbeh Join Date: May 2016 Location: nowhere Posts: 648	the problem with him justifying torture for men who are 'like osama bin laden' is the fact that many of the men that america tortures for being 'like osama bin laden' are in fact NOT 'like osama bin laden' and get held without any evidence and without even a trial but because they look like dirty muzzies and were probably in the wrong place at the wrong time but hey i guess lifes not fair still nothing justifies him making excuses for racial profiling or for being so defensive of israel and its war crimes read a book sam harris is a pseudo intellectual __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o2u2p1FzNM

02-20-2017, 09:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	What did you get for $7? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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