hey you texans

Freebase Dali · 11-06-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by savannah

i think youre wrong when you say we cant do much for an ideology
we can expel that ideology

i feel as though the political correctness we now adhear to tears down everything the greatest generation gave us, everything they worked for, everything they won for us

the idea of freedom, justice, good

while i would never condone the mistreatment of a person based on their religious beliefs, i can condone not allowing them to be in a position that would give them access to eradicate a country that i hold so dear

muslims are taught to kill the infidel
i am the infidel
if you are not muslim you are the infidel

the country our military protects is a country of infidels,....

i strenuously believe that is what happened here

again i'll say:

to be born into freedom is a mistake
to live in freedom is a struggle
to die for freedom is an obligation

the american military protects my freedom, so of course it would be my sensibility to want to protect that entity

if that is a conclusion i have jumped to, or blatant fact is debatable,...though i fear it is the former

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

That said, you should probably know that our own country eradicates itself FAR more than external forces do. There is SO much more internal violence against ourselves in this country that FAR outweighs the actions perpetrated by people of other nations, whether inside or outside this country.
Criminals in this country don't respect the ideals you respect, just like the supposed terrorists don't. Respect is achieved from action, not what some dumb-ass hicks put on billboards and flags while they screw the country over with their selfish desires and inadequacies, hanging off the government tit and killing each other over a five dollar bill.

If you wanna call this the good life, you go ahead.
I personally think that if there's anything to be learned from angst against America, it's gained from the ability to stop being so goddamned self-important and realizing that we're not the most important, best idea since sliced bread and the fucking thong.

I'm just saddened to say that since this bullshit ass scare tactic that went down on 911, not to make light of the tragedy, the west has been cleverly fucked in the bong hole because this entire firestorm of paranoia that will in no way die down soon whether attacks on the "US" stops or not.
Terrorism, the concept, is the next generation of control whether you like it or not.
You can patriot your way into dwindling freedom, or not.
Either way, there's only one thing that's guaranteed... There will be less. Not more.
And it's not a result of "terrorists".

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

savannah · 11-06-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

i dont believe it is relatively small, have you read the qur'an? because i did, right after sept 11
i was enraged by all the people ignorately persucuteing a whole people based on relegious faith,....i've always been very religiously tollerant and growin up in the bible belt that can be a hard row to hoe,...so i sat down and read it myself,....
i believe what you call belief of a small sect is a much larger faith base
and to compare religious ideology, to racial prejudice is like building a house on quick sand,....find another argument

That said, you should probably know that our own country eradicates itself FAR more than external forces do. There is SO much more internal violence against ourselves in this country that FAR outweighs the actions perpetrated by people of other nations, whether inside or outside this country.
Criminals in this country don't respect the ideals you respect, just like the supposed terrorists don't. Respect is achieved from action, not what some dumb-ass hicks put on billboards and flags while they screw the country over with their selfish desires and inadequacies, hanging off the government tit and killing each other over a five dollar bill.

im well aware of the shortcomings of my own country, and in that same grass roots "dumb ass hick" mind frame you so eloquently compared me to, i try and change it,....though i see nothing wrong with my patriotism

If you wanna call this the good life, you go ahead.
I personally think that if there's anything to be learned from angst against America, it's gained from the ability to stop being so goddamned self-important and realizing that we're not the most important, best idea since sliced bread and the fucking thong.

I'm just saddened to say that since this bullshit ass scare tactic that went down on 911, not to make light of the tragedy, the west has been cleverly fucked in the bong hole because this entire firestorm of paranoia that will in no way die down soon whether attacks on the "US" stops or not.
Terrorism, the concept, is the next generation of control whether you like it or not.
You can patriot your way into dwindling freedom, or not.
Either way, there's only one thing that's guaranteed... There will be less. Not more.
And it's not a result of "terrorists".

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

i assure you i'm sorry that you sell me so short, yes, i understand that this is not the 'good life' but is it wrong for me to believe that it is,...is it wrong for me to try and hold on to whatever glimpse of it i can catch,.....

i'm extremely proud of this country, i feel as though i can make it a better place, through understanding, education, social and personal responsibility
to me that includes speaking out against those who i feel threaten it

i never said that muslims were evil, i never said they were all terrorist, i never said throw them out of the country,.....what i did say is i believe they have a basic ideology that conflicts with that of the role of solider

god grant me the courage not to give up what i think is right even though i think it is hopeless - nimitz

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adidasss · 11-07-2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

That said, you should probably know that our own country eradicates itself FAR more than external forces do. There is SO much more internal violence against ourselves in this country that FAR outweighs the actions perpetrated by people of other nations, whether inside or outside this country.
Criminals in this country don't respect the ideals you respect, just like the supposed terrorists don't. Respect is achieved from action, not what some dumb-ass hicks put on billboards and flags while they screw the country over with their selfish desires and inadequacies, hanging off the government tit and killing each other over a five dollar bill.

If you wanna call this the good life, you go ahead.
I personally think that if there's anything to be learned from angst against America, it's gained from the ability to stop being so goddamned self-important and realizing that we're not the most important, best idea since sliced bread and the fucking thong.

I'm just saddened to say that since this bullshit ass scare tactic that went down on 911, not to make light of the tragedy, the west has been cleverly fucked in the bong hole because this entire firestorm of paranoia that will in no way die down soon whether attacks on the "US" stops or not.
Terrorism, the concept, is the next generation of control whether you like it or not.
You can patriot your way into dwindling freedom, or not.
Either way, there's only one thing that's guaranteed... There will be less. Not more.
And it's not a result of "terrorists".

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 11-07-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

That somes up how I felt about Savanah's post. My boyfriend is Arabic and it really bothers me when people assume any criminal that's Arab/Muslium must be a terrorist. Or even being Arab in general. American's can be so damn ignorant, but I think we have Bush to thank for that.

NumberNineDream · 11-07-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

That somes up how I felt about Savanah's post. My boyfriend is Arabic and it really bothers me when people assume any criminal that's Arab/Muslium must be a terrorist. Or even being Arab in general. American's can be so damn ignorant, but I think we have Bush to thank for that.

When a leader (usually dictator) wants to rule a country, without risks of being rejected, he creates some kind of enemy that sinks the population into fear. When the majority of the population is fearful, nobody can suggest that the enemy does not exist, cause he'll be on the enemy's side.

It happened and still happening in Cuba, with the fear of Capitalism, it's happening in my dear country, with the fear of Syrian/Israeli/US/Iran occupation and it began in the US since 9/11, with the fear of the Muslim extremists, that now, in the minds of the majority, are all Arabs or just anyone with a beard and a dark tan.

I don't know when it'll end, but I guess it'll fade soon.

lucifer_sam · 11-08-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

That somes up how I felt about Savanah's post. My boyfriend is Arabic and it really bothers me when people assume any criminal that's Arab/Muslium must be a terrorist. Or even being Arab in general. American's can be so damn ignorant, but I think we have Bush to thank for that.

just to clarify things...

Muslim =/= Arab

Islam is the religion, Arabic is the ethnicity. and it's silly (and fairly ignorant) to use them interchangeably when there are many many more Muslims who don't identify themselves as Arabic (and quite a few Arabians who aren't Muslim).

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 11-08-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

just to clarify things...

Muslim =/= Arab

Islam is the religion, Arabic is the ethnicity. and it's silly (and fairly ignorant) to use them interchangeably when there are many many more Muslims who don't identify themselves as Arabic (and quite a few Arabians who aren't Muslim).

I realise that. I know that there are Arab Christians and all sorts of other religions. I am suggesting the assumption others seem to make.

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Originally Posted by savannah

what i did say was i do not believe the ideology of islam matches up with that i personally want in the american military

Why does islam in your opinion not "suit" the "american military"? It's like saying Jew's should be in the current German military.