and all I'm trying to point out is that we can all make minor adjustments to the way we buy meat that would be beneficial to the animals even though we never interact with them.

My post clearly states that we are meat eaters but even eating only free range meat may make big companies adjust their policies even if I haven't the balls to forgo meat.

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(you'll have to click, I cant post pics)

ingredients

* 2 pounds venison backstrap (tenderloin), cut into 2 inch chunks
* 1 quart apple cider
* 1 1/2 pounds thick sliced bacon
* 2 (12 ounce) bottles barbecue sauce, your choice

Directions

1. Place chunks of venison into a shallow baking dish, and pour enough apple cider in to cover them. Cover, and refrigerate for 2 hours. Remove, and pat dry. Discard apple cider, and return venison to the dish. Pour barbeque sauce over the chunks, cover, and refrigerate for 2 to 3 more hours.
2. Preheat an outdoor grill for high heat. Charcoal is best, but if you must, use gas. Remove meat from the refrigerator, and let stand for 30 minutes, or until no longer chilled. Wrap each chunk of venison in a slice of bacon, and secure with toothpicks.
3. Brush the grill grate with olive oil when hot, and place venison pieces on the grill so they are not touching. The bacon will kick up some flames, so be ready. Grill, turning occasionally, until the bacon becomes slightly burnt, 15 to 20 minutes. The slower, the better. Dig in, and prepare to want more!

We both know it isn't going to happen.
There are more pressing matters in the world that deserve more action. Take the pollution from automobiles as an example.
Walking everywhere won't make a blind bit of difference.
The vast majority of us will still get the bus, except lifts, buy packaged meat etc.

I don't drive so I'm exempt :) If every single person walked it would make a difference but we are digressing.

I just find it a shame that most of us (and I include myself) are entwined in the machinations of big business because of their ability to provide convenience for us all.

It's times like this that I am almost ashamed of being human and the lack of respect we give to our surroundings and the way we live our lives. We really are a bunch of cunts :(

Now you're talking.

speaking of hunting and the least amount of suffering. just a tangent of curiosity.

arrows or bullets?

is the suffering any different? is one method more humane than the other?

That's why I make sure my food is free ranged. Paying a little extra IS NOT as difficult as it would be to wlak instead of drive. This one is all about conveinence/price.

But we can't wait for people to solve these things on their own, we've got to stick it to the man, man ;).

But i'm not a saint, it works well for me because I have friends who hunt small game legally - there's a population to keep in check so hunting is encouraged at certain times of the year. Another guiltless food is Aligator - hunting of them is encouraged because of the overlysuccessful breeding program. Just keeping it in check ;)
I would imagine bullets being far more effective and cleaner - as long as aimed correctly... otherwise not so much.

It would be nice if everything reverted back to simpler times. I know we'd appreciate life a lot more than we currently do. Maybe we'd miss some of the luxuries we have now, but at least we'd get a clear picture of all the things we take for granted.
I know it's assuming too much to think the mass majority would ever consider taking that step, but in the very least, if we change our ways of thinking and teach our children about it, there may be hope in the distant future that eventually the mass majority will support making some changes for the ultimate good and equillibrium of our society and the planet on which we live.

Thanks for again reminding us all that you are completely crazy.

convenience is good. What if we all had to make out own shoes.

I wonder when sustainability will work its way into morality