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Somebody needs to learn how to read. I already stated that indeed some traits associated with certain gender roles are based on cultural idealism and not on biology.

But to think men and women have no actual biological distinctions and that it's all cultural is like a new level of absurdly retarded. Why do I have a penis? Because my mom and dad wanted me to have one?

Err, no one said they had no biological distinction.

There are obvious societal expectations is all I said. Relax, mate and stop trying to be argumentative of everything. in fact , if anything, I was only answering your question. Sorry if the answer wasn't what you were looking for.

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 911988)

Relax, mate and stop trying to be argumentative of everything. in fact , if anything, I was only answering your question. Sorry if the answer wasn't what you were looking for.

Ehr,

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 911978)

for ****'s sake. whether or not you see it, there are societal positions/influences created for males/females. You can pretend there isn't all you'd like but it still does not stop it from being true.

Do you have the memory of a goldfish or did you not read your own post? Because your post does not come across as particularly relaxed. It seems argumentative and suggests that you are right no matter what people think.

Although I'm pointing out the obvious here, it makes your latest reply to Boo seem more than a bit ironic.

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 911563)

I think this is sort of an interesting thread.
And I also believe gender identity is 100% real.
But I donno if much of it could be based of societal influences... the fact that women are expected to be 'submissive' (wear the 'skirt' in a relationship, been oppressed for years, not be professional, domestication, can't sleep around without being looked down upon, play with dolls etc, etc) while men are expected to be domineering (be professional, wear the 'trou' , play sports, etc) ... but those things, masculinity/feminism, its all made up if you think of in.

In fact while a the gym, I was thinking on this the other day (just cos I tend to be quite the contemplative individual ;) ) in the sense that I saw a couple o kiddos towards the care centre; A little girl and a young lad probably no older than 6 or 7 each. The lass was in teeny shorts, doll in hand, long hair, floral printed shirt... the lad was in a baggy t-shirt, longer shorts and video game portable thing in hand. And I was just thinking how these kids are already moulded, from birth most likely, to be a 'girl' or a 'boy' and act that way. There was never a choice to drift towards one's actual interests, but they were conditioned to act one way or the other.

Erm and I think that could cause gender distress. Whose to say that you are a gender satisfied bloke who just enjoys doing 'girlish' things, moreso? And in that sense you feel alienated by your own gender cos societally, it aint acceptable for you to enjoy those things?

Yeeargh, just a potential theory to think about. Sometimes I think the societal expectations are irksome. Like... why am I *** if I don't wanna sleep with every girl I see? Why is it *** to want to wait with my girlfriend? Those sorts of things... I'd rather it be considered respectable, as it is for girls!

That's a pretty good point. I've always found gender roles to be pretty interesting, and the fact that most people only worry about women's gender roles- that is, if they worry about gender roles at all, a lot of people don't give a flying **** -annoys me to no end. Last time I checked I'm not a man, but idiotic macho stereotypes aren't doing anyone female any favors, either.

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 911971)

I think people often misuse the words when describing men as feminine and women as masculine, often they aren't really. And so many people now blur the lines between what are considered masculine and feminine traits. We are in a very androgynous age now, all you gotta do is look at most rock music movements and their resulting subcultures and fashion sense.

Today, at least in more progressive parts of the world, men definining themselves as "masculine" and women defining themselves "feminine" are cultural choices rather than enforced dogma as they were for many ages. Obviously that's how it should be. People have the choice of what gender they want to define themselves as, they can be one or the other, or both, or neither.

I think that things have progressed a lot for people who don't fit traditional gender roles (not that very many people actually do) in the last few decades, but there's still a long way to go. Society still isn't that approving of people who deviate from what's considered the "norm", though attitudes are so much better now than they were 50 years ago.

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 911994)

How about stop trying to guess the 'tone' of my posts, and actually take a deep breath, and understand them.

I think the way feminists treat women who choose the "feminine" gender roles is not only despicable it's a waste of time because totally "feminine" women are not as common as they once were and today it's just a choice, not something that is being enforced. And they never demonize transexual men for wanting to fit the ideal of feminine beauty now do they? They should just to be fair.

Anyway I want to change the topic a little to tesosterone and how people associate it with sexuality. People wrongly think testosterone is the primary influence of your sexual orientation.

People also forget that ladies too have tesosterone but they can never let it show (plz don't start erica lol). One thing I hate is how so many guys diss on women for wanting to be athletic and competitive with men. When they look at a very fit female athlete, they don't see something attractive they think it's gross and manly. They think that if a woman is athletic she must have higher testosterone (pretty much true) and thus she must be a lesbian (not true at all).

I actually find women with a good dose of testo to be pretty desirable, lets not forget that they have bigger sex drives. :thumb:

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 912004)

How about stop trying to guess the 'tone' of my posts, and actually take a deep breath, and understand them.

Because as your latest posts in this forum have shown, you are obviously Captain Understanding. How about you try and formulate your arguments into something more than single line posts like this?

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 912004)

If there's something more than a cheap stab in there, something like a worthy contribution to the discussion, then I don't see it.

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 912008)

I actually find women with a good dose of testo to be pretty desirable, lets not forget that they have bigger sex drives. :thumb:

I know one girl who has more testosterone than average. It does indeed cause her to have some body hair, like more hair than usual on her arms, but she's also one of the cutest and most charming people I've ever met. Definetly high-quality girlfriend material. ;)

Boo the irony in your next post is astounding considering you just tried to tell me that my point about expected gender roles in society was bunk, then bring up expected gender roles in society and how they bother you.

Tore, both of those were responces to your posts, not to the thread. It doesn't take sherlock holmes to figure that one out.

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 912013)

Tore, both of those were responces to your posts, not to the thread. It doesn't take sherlock holmes to figure that one out.

Am I getting this right? This :

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 911978)

.. was a response to a post I had made?

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 912015)

Am I getting this right? This :

.. was a response to a post I had made?

Your was collective. Quit trying to be smart.
Discussion over.