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~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-17-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal

Misnomic. You both believe in entities called God. That is not to say you believe in the same entity called God. Regardless of whether or not Proggy believes in a guy called God who didn't send a messiah, or believes in nobody at all, your response terming his beliefs to be "12 year old wisdom" remains derisive.

Wow, you can use big words

The "God" that Jews believe in is the same "God" that Christians believe in. So it's not a misnomer, it's a fact. And my response came off as derisive because it was meant to, I think Hellen Keller could have told you that one.

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I don't believe in god. My parents are just making me have a Bar Mitzvah. It's actually pretty fun.

If you don't believe in God, then you're not a Jew, and you have a Bar Mitzvah would be completely hypocrytical. How can you criticize Crowquill for calling your faith weak when you just admitted that it is?

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Originally Posted by Fal

lawl.

He said he doesn't believe in God, therefor he's lying about being a jew, so my statement is null and void

Barnard17 · 02-17-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay

The "God" that Jews believe in is the same "God" that Christians believe in. So it's not a misnomer, it's a fact. And my response came off as derisive because it was meant to, I think Hellen Keller could have told you that one.

No. You're both Abrahamic religions because you take basis in the same texts however you divert, Jews have a few added books that divert their interpretations of what Christians would term the Old Testament, Christians have the New Testament which essentially supercedes the Old Testament changing key phrases such as "eye for an eye" into "turn the other cheek", "don't eat pork" into "eat whatever, God made it all so that's cool". The God that told the Israelites to butcher, murder and rape their enemies (and then left it at that) is not the same God that changed his mind and said "it's ok, we like you regardless of your background, as long as you believe".

I could argue a sociological cause behind this divergence however I doubt you're bothered to hear it.

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Originally Posted by oojay

If you don't believe in God, then you're not a Jew, and you have a Bar Mitzvah would be completely hypocrytical. How can you criticize Crowquill for calling your faith weak when you just admitted that it is?

He said he doesn't believe in God, therefor he's lying about being a jew, so my statement is null and void

I know plenty of atheists that have church weddings? Is that hypocritical? Well yes, but still it remains cultural. Also, it shouldn't be forgotten that there is both the religious and the "racial" Jew (for all such a label is worth ancestrally).

ProggyMan · 02-17-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal

No. You're both Abrahamic religions because you take basis in the same texts however you divert, Jews have a few added books that divert their interpretations of what Christians would term the Old Testament, Christians have the New Testament which essentially supercedes the Old Testament changing key phrases such as "eye for an eye" into "turn the other cheek", "don't eat pork" into "eat whatever, God made it all so that's cool". The God that told the Israelites to butcher, murder and rape their enemies (and then left it at that) is not the same God that changed his mind and said "it's ok, we like you regardless of your background, as long as you believe".

Kashruut ain't in the Torah.