Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1839150)

It's so obviously the common thread that denial of the causal relationship is intellectual dishonesty. Saying well Islam is obviously the problem may seem simplistic but it begs very complicated questions. Why is Islam so especially bad? What part of the theology is uniquely flawed? Is reform a lost cause? Is atheism the only solution? How can these cultures hang hang on to a healthy identity while abandoning this idiotic belief system?

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1839134)

Even at this point people are still defending and making excuses for Islam. Sure not being a bigot feels better but the obvious truth is at odds with what makes us feel good about ourselves.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1839156)

Who is making excuses for Islam? It's built on a bunch of fucked up shit and no small amount of violence, like most religions. People have been inspired to do horrible things in the name of it. I think all people are saying to you is that the world is a complicated place and simply harping on the badness of a religion isn't very productive.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1839159)

It's more productive than ignoring the truth of the matter.

Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1839142)

bigoted kike bitch

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1839143)

I don't agree with him on a lot of the subject, but he can easily do both.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1839153)

That's all and well but when you continually ignore other explanations that paint a clearer portrait of the situation, some might say that your "denial of the causal relationship is intellectual dishonesty."

Others might tell you that correlation and causation are by no means equivalent and that it is intellectually dishonest to suggest that they are without more to bring to the table.

Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1839155)

you should use that to pick up girls

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1839161)

The truth of the matter is that the world is a complicated place.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1839153)

That's all and well but when you continually ignore other explanations that paint a clearer portrait of the situation, some might say that your "denial of the causal relationship is intellectual dishonesty."

Others might tell you that correlation and causation are by no means equivalent and that it is intellectually dishonest to suggest that they are without more to bring to the table.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1839161)

The truth of the matter is that the world is a complicated place.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1839166)

I think it's plenty to bring to the table. The footing is as sure as obesity and diabetes.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1839169)