I've learned what Stan Lee did to leech off of the legacy of Jack Kirby and so I'm no fanboy. He's massively important as an ambassador for comics but his seeming importance is definitely at least partially a fairy tail. I think he probably held Marvel intact between the 40s and 60s, but much of what he's known for that put Marvel on the map and made it what it was wasn't necessarily his doing. I highly doubt that if he hadn't been working with Kirby while creating the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man that it would have had a fraction of the impact, both culturally and creatively.

But the man was no doubt a legend who was massively important to comics, I just can't give him the credit he so clearly thought he deserved. I think he was more administrator than creator.

**** off with that ****

*fairy tale

Sasuga, sensei!!

Look into it if you think I'm full of ****. Lee's cultural relevance is more down to his marketing than his accomplishments.

I know you're right, but it's what everyone says. Say something different.

What are you expecting? I'm not a true comic historian, I just don't suck Lee's dick. My original comment was a zombie joke btw so it's not like I'm trying to start ****.

I need to know you're weeping about this. ffs

Tell me when Jason Aaron gets hit by a bus, then I'll break down.

Who's that?