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Howard the Duck 04-19-2011 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chipper (Post 1038313)
i can't believe i will ask this but fine...

what is love?

:shycouch:

love is a feeling

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 1038314)
There's a difference between being in love, and being Hugh Grant.

last I checked, I didn't receive a bj from a black prostitute

crash_override 04-19-2011 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1038316)
last I checked, I didn't receive a bj from a black prostitute

Then you will never know true love.

djchameleon 04-19-2011 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chipper (Post 1037986)
This is probably the most cynical view you will hear today:

When people say they are "in love", it's actually vanity not love.

Everyone has an innate need to feel important. That’s a universal truth. That is up there in the ranks of ‘we all need to eat’ and ‘we all need to sleep’.

That is why people “fall in love” with others. When someone makes them feel important and needed, they instinctively get attracted because their need is being met. They get the attention that they want, the knowing that there is someone else that gives a f$%k that they are alive, that in the billions and billions of people in this world, there is someone that would like to spend time with them over everyone else.

No one falls in love with someone that makes them feel like a worthless piece of sh!t, right? “Love” always begins with a smile that melts hearts or a hello what was just a little softer than other hellos or glance that lasted a second too long. It is always when someone makes you feel special.

Then you stay. You stay because you need a witness to your life as it is beautifully articulated in Shall We Dance. You need someone there to make you feel things you do don’t go unnoticed.

I don’t know if it is romantic but I do know it’s still about the self and not the other person.

It is vanity… not love.

I see that you address it slightly later on but it should have been in this post. I think you want to change some words around a bit. Lust and not love. You didn't even touch the surface of what love is. There are also varying degrees of love but I also see later on that you would like a definition so I will finish that underneath.

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Originally Posted by chipper (Post 1038313)
i can't believe i will ask this but fine...

what is love?

:shycouch:

You can be in love and not want to **** the person that you are in love with. The type of love I'm talking about is platonic love. Sure, you love your mother/father but you don't want to engage in sexual relations with them unless you are from Louisiana.

There is romantic love which tends to be a bit superficial based on romantic settings it is pretty much an extended phase of puppy love.

Puppy love is the initial stage when you are completely infatuated with someone but this type of love is part love and part lust. About 75% lust 25% love because you can't really love someone fully if you don't know them that well.

This last type of love I like to call Marriage love with can also be deemed true love. This type of love is after you have known the ins and outs of the person that you are with. You will go out of your way for them and make personal sacrifices sometimes for them. You will put yourself in harms way to protect them. You are also so comfortable with the person that you are able to use the bathroom around them and not care. You are able to get into fights/arguments with them and because of your love for them not take it seriously to the point that you will NEVER talk to them again. The reason the divorce rate is so high is because some people think they have this true love when they really don't. They just have really good romantic love connection but romantic love fades and that's why they have to do things to keep the sparks alive. True love doesn't need this same type of maintenance.

ThePhanastasio 04-19-2011 05:20 AM

I've never really liked this question. It's something that people say constantly, yet they always say it in such a way that suggests that those are the only two options - either you love and lose, or you're never going to experience love.

I call false. There are people who fall in love, stay with their first love, and remain happily married for their entire lives.

This, to me, is just a dumb saying that doesn't really mean a whole hell of a lot. If you never love at all, then you never know what you're missing anyway. So who's to say which is better, really?

djchameleon 04-19-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio (Post 1038356)
I've never really liked this question. It's something that people say constantly, yet they always say it in such a way that suggests that those are the only two options - either you love and lose, or you're never going to experience love.

I call false. There are people who fall in love, stay with their first love, and remain happily married for their entire lives.

This, to me, is just a dumb saying that doesn't really mean a whole hell of a lot. If you never love at all, then you never know what you're missing anyway. So who's to say which is better, really?

I don't think it's a dumb saying it just depends on how the person feels upon answering. Mostly the people that answer never to have loved at all. They are so hurt by a previous experience and are bitter about it that they wish they never had to feel that way ever.

chipper 04-30-2011 06:30 PM

"love is a feeling"? of what?

there is only one kind of love.. all the other words attached to it like "romantic" "platonic"... whatever... serves to describe another feeling but that's not what love is.

ex: you can romance without love and you can love without romance. it doesn't change what love is.

my point is... love is unconditional and eternal. when love ends, that's not love at all. it's a contradiction. when there is a condition. that's not love. again that's a contradiction. the minutere there is condition, the minute there is a time frame... that's not love.

cut off my ears, take all my money, kill everyone important to me and i love you anyway. now, I will never feel that for anyone. I don't know if there is anyone capable of feeling that. maybe a parent to a child?

there have been too many times when someone has called me "idealistic" for my definition. they said we are humans so it's natural that we respect ourselves first. that is why we stop loving when we get hurt too much. but love is supposed to be the greatest of all feeling. it's supposed to be above every feeling, emotion and value.

Paedantic Basterd 04-30-2011 07:41 PM

Love is obviously the emotional equivalent of bigfoot, in that case.

Astronomer 04-30-2011 11:14 PM

What is love?

"Love is a temporary madness. It erupts like an earthquake and then subsides. And when it subsides you have to make a decision. You have to work out whether your roots have become so entwined together that it is inconceivable that you should ever part. Because this is what love is. Love is not breathlessness, it is not excitement, it is not the promulgation of promises of eternal passion. That is just being "in love" which any of us can convince ourselves we are. Love itself is what is left over when being in love has burned away, and this is both an art and a fortunate accident. Your mother and I had it, we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossoms had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two."

Most accurate definition of love I have ever read.

duga 05-01-2011 08:10 PM

^

Wow, I love that description. That's pretty much the perfect way to explain love.

duga 05-01-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1046499)
I wouldn't want to wish heartbreak on anyone.

Of course not. I still stand by what I said, though. Everyone needs to experience it. It taught me a lot about myself.

Stephen 07-05-2011 06:56 PM

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Is It Better To Have Loved, And Lost? Than To Have Never Loved At All?
Really depends what sort of number they do on your head before they go.

someonecompletelyrandom 07-05-2011 07:01 PM

Life is nothing but love, and love is nothing but heartbreak.

duga 07-05-2011 07:06 PM

People seem to forget that life inevitably works in cycles. There will be love and there will be heartbreak...there is no escaping it. What I try to remember is that that doesn't mean love leads to heartbreak. It just means that for a time you will feel love and for a time you will feel heartbreak. Love and heartbreak can be very distinct from each other. In this, you can be sure the heartbreak will end and you can love again.

Did that sound really cheesy? I'm in a weird mood.

someonecompletelyrandom 07-05-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1080982)
People seem to forget that life inevitably works in cycles. There will be love and there will be heartbreak...there is no escaping it. What I try to remember is that that doesn't mean love leads to heartbreak. It just means that for a time you will feel love and for a time you will feel heartbreak. Love and heartbreak can be very distinct from each other. In this, you can be sure the heartbreak will end and you can love again.

Did that sound really cheesy? I'm in a weird mood.

Nope, not cheesy at all. Love is the most powerful influence in my life. And for me, it inevitably leads to heartbreak because I actually care about something, as opposed to the near constant apathy I feel for everything else. And I know I'll always part with that love, because almost nothing can last forever.

Paedantic Basterd 07-05-2011 07:12 PM

Learn to love yourselves.

Love resolved.

someonecompletelyrandom 07-05-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1080988)
Learn to love yourselves.

Love resolved.

I learned to do that when I was 12, and I've never looked back.

duga 07-05-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1080987)
And I know I'll always part with that love, because almost nothing can last forever.

This is true, but I definitely take comfort in knowing I will find love again even if it is something totally unrelated to what you are currently losing. I find I alternate between love in people and love in music. When I'm in a new relationship (a good one) I throw all my passion into it. When that fades, I find my passion in music again. I always have something.

Paedantic Basterd 07-05-2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1080990)
I learned to do that when I was 12, and I've never looked back.

:laughing:

Now you just need to get the emotional side down.

someonecompletelyrandom 07-05-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1080991)
This is true, but I definitely take comfort in knowing I will find love again even if it is something totally unrelated to what you are currently losing. I find I alternate between love in people and love in music. When I'm in a new relationship (a good one) I throw all my passion into it. When that fades, I find my passion in music again. I always have something.

I could see that. Unfortunately for me, I find there's a difference between what I'm passionate about and what I'm in love with. I sort of have a near constant passion for art (music and film in particular) but I can't get enough out of it to really satisfy my emotional need. I will attest to simply dropping projects and other pursuits when I fall in love with somebody, however. So maybe I am using art as something to bounce back to.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1080992)
:laughing:

Now you just need to get the emotional side down.

I cried the first time, does that count?

Paedantic Basterd 07-05-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1080993)
I cried the first time, does that count?

Hahahahahaha, tell me that's true.

duga 07-05-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1080993)
I could see that. Unfortunately for me, I find there's a difference between what I'm passionate about and what I'm in love with. I sort of have a near constant passion for art (music and film in particular) but I can't get enough out of it to really satisfy my emotional need. I will attest to simply dropping projects and other pursuits when I fall in love with somebody, however. So maybe I am using art as something to bounce back to.

Ah, see you described exactly how I feel. There is a very big difference between being IN love and loving. I have, in fact, been in love with someone that I ended up not loving. I think the term "in love" should actually have it's own word...using the word love in that context gets confusing.

What you seem to want is balls to the wall emotional overload. That may be a very "loving" act, but it is not love itself. That will most definitely fade...no matter what. True love is being scared enough about losing the person you are with after that spark fades that you will still do anything for them (as long as we are talking about relationships...).

Farfisa 07-05-2011 07:32 PM

Well, I suppose it's better to have loved and lost as it would make you a more understanding person in many ways. It's just losing someone you love almost makes that feel worthless sometimes.

Neapolitan 07-05-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1080980)
Life is nothing but love, and love is nothing but heartbreak.

I like this saying, it is pithy but profound, cynical but not whiny.

Howard the Duck 07-05-2011 09:37 PM

love is the air that feeds the ego - New Order

djchameleon 07-06-2011 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1080991)
This is true, but I definitely take comfort in knowing I will find love again even if it is something totally unrelated to what you are currently losing. I find I alternate between love in people and love in music. When I'm in a new relationship (a good one) I throw all my passion into it. When that fades, I find my passion in music again. I always have something.

I may be misinterpreting this but you aren't one of those types that gets into a new relationship then neglect other ones are you? friends and family and concentrate solely on the new person in your life.

I had a friend like that but I couldn't be bothered to stay friends with her any longer. Every time she got a new bf, she wouldn't completely shut out everyone then when the new relationship starts to fall apart or she gets dump or dumps him then she wants to just waltz back into people's lives.

Howard the Duck 07-06-2011 03:43 AM

the other thing having a steady does for me is no more hunting around for the next prey

Farfisa 07-06-2011 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1081176)
the other thing having a steady does for me is no more hunting around for the next prey

I hate hunting for chicks, I'm horrible at it.

Howard the Duck 07-06-2011 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships (Post 1081180)
I hate hunting for chicks, I'm horrible at it.

i've become steadily more observant and more chick-based in my talk than previously so no problemo

djchameleon 07-06-2011 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships (Post 1081180)
I hate hunting for chicks, I'm horrible at it.

then stop hunting, it'll be pretty natural when you find someone that fits what you are looking for and it won't be as difficult as hunting

duga 07-06-2011 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1081174)
I may be misinterpreting this but you aren't one of those types that gets into a new relationship then neglect other ones are you? friends and family and concentrate solely on the new person in your life.

I had a friend like that but I couldn't be bothered to stay friends with her any longer. Every time she got a new bf, she wouldn't completely shut out everyone then when the new relationship starts to fall apart or she gets dump or dumps him then she wants to just waltz back into people's lives.

Nah, that's not what I meant. I still make time for the other important people in my life.

djchameleon 07-06-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1081230)
Nah, that's not what I meant. I still make time for the other important people in my life.

hmm I never thought about it that way, maybe I just wasn't important enough to said friend well another good reason I dropped her like a bad habit

BobLobLaw 07-09-2011 11:39 AM

Yes. Having that kind of an experience is amazing.

[MERIT] 07-09-2011 12:31 PM

I would say that it is better to have never loved at all. When you lose someone whom you truly love more than anything in this world, you lose a part of yourself. You can never fill that hole with anyone or anything, no matter how hard you try. I am of the mindset that everyone has 1 soulmate in this lifetime. If you lose your soulmate, you can never truly love another person after that, because nothing can even remotely compare to what you had. You will be a broken person for the rest of your life. My wife is my soulmate, but that means more to me than it does to her. I can honestly never see myself truly loving anyone else, because I will always love her more, no matter what.

djchameleon 07-10-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1082616)
I would say that it is better to have never loved at all. When you lose someone whom you truly love more than anything in this world, you lose a part of yourself. You can never fill that hole with anyone or anything, no matter how hard you try. I am of the mindset that everyone has 1 soulmate in this lifetime. If you lose your soulmate, you can never truly love another person after that, because nothing can even remotely compare to what you had. You will be a broken person for the rest of your life. My wife is my soulmate, but that means more to me than it does to her. I can honestly never see myself truly loving anyone else, because I will always love her more, no matter what.


I think your feelings about this may change over time, it's just that what you are going through right now is pretty fresh and raw so that's why you are feeling the way you are maybe.

[MERIT] 07-10-2011 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1082832)
I think your feelings about this may change over time, it's just that what you are going through right now is pretty fresh and raw so that's why you are feeling the way you are maybe.

No. Love is different for everyone. I believe in a soul mate, one person who you are meant to be with. If you lose that, nothing else can ever take that place.

djchameleon 07-10-2011 12:35 AM

yeah but your whole post contradicts itself a bit because you say it's better to not have loved at all but you spend the whole post talking about a soul mate.

If you believe in soul mates then people will eventually fall in love with said soul mate whether they want to or not.

[MERIT] 07-10-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1082834)
yeah but your whole post contradicts itself a bit because you say it's better to not have loved at all but you spend the whole post talking about a soul mate.

If you believe in soul mates then people will eventually fall in love with said soul mate whether they want to or not.

I do believe in a soul mate. But that doesn't automatically mean that you will find yours, they could be on the other side of the world, or died a hundred years before you were born.

I'm saying that I would rather have never met my soul mate than to have met her, gotten married, had a child, and then have it all ripped away from me.

Paedantic Basterd 11-09-2011 12:03 AM

Not your soul mate then, is she?

Howard the Duck 11-09-2011 12:14 AM

can't say i've found a "soul mate" but found a "twin", mebbe

i fell in love in real when i was in Cardiff with a Welsh girl and it was quite devastating

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 11-09-2011 12:39 AM

Never loved. Love is for the weak.


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