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Bloozcrooz 04-12-2011 01:28 AM

Is It Better To Have Loved, And Lost? Than To Have Never Loved At All?
 
The age old question still remains and id like to know others input on this. Whether its based off experience or just merley speculation. I think everyones curious in this department, and im interested to see the responses if any.

crash_override 04-12-2011 01:32 AM

Surely you mean 'Better to have loved, and lost, than to never have loved at all?'

In which case, I'm torn on the issue. On one hand, having someone great is an amazing experience. On the other, being single can be great. Life is what you make it, no matter who you're f*cking.

MoonlitSunshine 04-12-2011 04:12 AM

In my opinion, the reason for life is to live, to experience, to love, to hate, to win, to lose, to have something to look back on at the end of your life and think "I have lived".

So yeah, I'd say it's better to love and lose it. Of course, there are iffy lines if you lose your love through death, because then the implication is that if you hadn't loved them they wouldn't have died but that's a completely different kettle of fish. In the non-death case, I'd definitely say it's better to love and lose it though, because no matter what happens later, there will come a time when you can look back on it as an experience, to have lived, and if there's one thing I fear in life, it's that I'll never live at all

djchameleon 04-12-2011 05:10 AM

to have loved and lost!!

experiences throughout your life make you the person that you are today and you are stronger for it.

So it's better imo to have loved and lost because you'll most likely get it again and even if you don't it builds character.

Nosferatu Man 04-12-2011 05:16 AM

I think I would have to go for the 'loved and lost option'. Although ignorance is bliss!

Howard the Duck 04-12-2011 06:08 AM

i would follow the precept of James Joyce's The Dead

it's better to love greatly and perish rather than having a greying love

so I expect to die soon, after finding my troo love

Scarlett O'Hara 04-12-2011 06:58 AM

It's kind of hard to say. Without being ever in love how do you know what you are missing?

crukster 04-12-2011 08:16 AM

no

OccultHawk 04-12-2011 08:42 AM

Nothing could hurt more than never getting any hole. I've had my heart broken but I never thought 'Damn! I wish I never got any pussy!' That's crazy talk.

crukster 04-12-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1035540)
Nothing could hurt more than never getting any hole. I've had my heart broken but I never thought 'Damn! I wish I never got any pussy!' That's crazy talk.

lol dude, it says love not pussy. You could go through life and bone 10,000 chicks and never really love any of them.

Maybe that's the best thing to do. Maybe it's just simple Human neurosis to think there's anything more to it.

OccultHawk 04-12-2011 09:31 AM

I loved every chick I ever screwed. And that's the truest **** I'll ever write on here.

djchameleon 04-12-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1035551)
I loved every chick I ever screwed. And that's the truest **** I'll ever write on here.

wtf why?

aren't you able to separate the two?

Sansa Stark 04-12-2011 10:21 AM

I think that's sweet

Paedantic Basterd 04-12-2011 10:48 AM

I'm going to say no, it's not better, and that it's definitely fine not to love another person, because love isn't the holy grail, and some people have more fulfilling things to do with their time.

djchameleon 04-12-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paloma (Post 1035558)
I think that's sweet

rofl but it doesn't seem sincere

when he calls them "chicks" and "screwing them"

instead of saying something along the lines of ever made love to.

Scissorman 04-12-2011 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1035563)
I'm going to say no, it's not better, and that it's definitely fine not to love another person, because love isn't the holy grail, and some people have more fulfilling things to do with their time.

I hope this is not irony because I completely agree with it :)

MoonlitSunshine 04-12-2011 11:10 AM

But at the same time, if it isn't a holy grail, would it be such a bad thing to lose?

OccultHawk 04-12-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1035565)
rofl but it doesn't seem sincere

when he calls them "chicks" and "screwing them"

instead of saying something along the lines of ever made love to.

Whatever you call it I loved them all and lost them all (except for the last one)

djchameleon 04-12-2011 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1035563)
I'm going to say no, it's not better, and that it's definitely fine not to love another person, because love isn't the holy grail, and some people have more fulfilling things to do with their time.

wow I totally didn't see this.

You do know that love doesn't take up all of a person's life right? you can do fulfilling things while being in love with something.

The two don't have to be mutually exclusive

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1035568)
Whatever you call it I loved them all and lost them all (except for the last one)

Usually when I'm in love with a female, I call them a woman or lady something more classy than just chick.

chick sounds a bit disrespectful when talking about the women in your life that you have loved but that's just me.

Scissorman 04-12-2011 11:13 AM

Love is an illusion which fades with time or turns into something else. But it's painful if you lose it all of a sudden. At least that's how I look at it

Paedantic Basterd 04-12-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine (Post 1035567)
But at the same time, if it isn't a holy grail, would it be such a bad thing to lose?

It doesn't have to be all it's cracked up to to still give you an awful time getting out of it.

djchameleon 04-12-2011 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scissorman (Post 1035570)
Love is an illusion which fades with time or turns into something else. But it's painful if you lose it all of a sudden. At least that's how I look at it

Love doesn't fade what fades is lust and the puppy love stage.

Scissorman 04-12-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1035569)
You do know that love doesn't take up all of a person's life right? you can do fulfilling things while being in love with something.

The two don't have to be mutually exclusive

this depends on many things

Paedantic Basterd 04-12-2011 11:21 AM

Love is not some kind of bastion of humanity. It's just another aspect of human emotion, equal to all of the others, and not everyone has necessity for it.

OccultHawk 04-12-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1035569)
wow I totally didn't see this.

You do know that love doesn't take up all of a person's life right? you can do fulfilling things while being in love with something.

The two don't have to be mutually exclusive



Usually when I'm in love with a female, I call them a woman or lady something more classy than just chick.

chick sounds a bit disrespectful when talking about the women in your life that you have loved but that's just me.


Loosen up--it'll help you get laid

chicks don't go for that uptight bull****

djchameleon 04-12-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1035579)
Loosen up--it'll help you get laid

chicks don't go for that uptight bull****

I don't have a problem getting laid bro. you are talking to the wrong person with that.

OccultHawk 04-12-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1035585)
I don't have a problem getting laid bro. you are talking to the wrong person with that.

you ain't had pussy since pussy had you

Scarlett O'Hara 04-12-2011 01:47 PM

I think, if you are the kind of person that has time for love then it will be yes but if it's not something you have a need for the no.

Key 04-12-2011 02:07 PM

I've been loved, and have lost. And honestly, I would have rather not loved at all.

RVCA 04-12-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin (Post 1035421)
The age old question still remains and id like to know others input on this. Whether its based off experience or just merley speculation. I think everyones curious in this department, and im interested to see the responses if any.

Just wanted to nitpick and say that it isn't a question, rather, it's a philosophy. There is no question mark at the end. So the question in the case of this thread would be whether or not you agree with the quote.

I do.

crukster 04-12-2011 02:38 PM

you can't love and lose imo. It transcends time, space, physical parameters. Love is eternal. When you really love someone and they love you, that's a feeling you never lose, even if you're apart, indefinitely.

But if you're asking, is it better to think you were in love and lose it, than to never think it, then I'd say no. I.e. is it better to be very close to someone and then have them leave or to never be close, well, imo it's better to have reality and realise that people come and go, even ones you care about a lot. Just enjoy things while they last.

But actual love, you can't lose that.

That probably doesn't make much sense, reading it back.


@Occulthawk, I'm gonna call bull**** man, no way you love every girl you've boned. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not psychic, but I don't think you'd talk crudely about sex if it was true. You can't call it love when you meet some girl in a nightclub and ragg her brains out. It's awesome, fair dues, but it's not love, dude.

Saying "I love every Woman I've had sex with" only really counts for anything if you like marriede your "childhood sweetheart" or some ****, it's a bit of a bare faced lie to just say "I love every girl I get in the sack" If you ask me.

Fair enough we've all probably said it to get some action, but let's be honest here man, you honestly telling us that's true?

s_k 04-12-2011 02:51 PM

Yes. But I wouldn't have said yes after I had just broken up with my girlfriend.
At that time anything would have been better...

djchameleon 04-12-2011 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crukster (Post 1035667)
you can't love and lose imo. It transcends time, space, physical parameters. Love is eternal. When you really love someone and they love you, that's a feeling you never lose, even if you're apart, indefinitely.

But if you're asking, is it better to think you were in love and lose it, than to never think it, then I'd say no. I.e. is it better to be very close to someone and then have them leave or to never be close, well, imo it's better to have reality and realise that people come and go, even ones you care about a lot. Just enjoy things while they last.

But actual love, you can't lose that.

That probably doesn't make much sense, reading it back.

it makes perfect sense.

The beginning is a bit all over the place but once you get down to what you really mean to say. I get it. You pretty much explained a little more about what I said earlier in the thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crukster (Post 1035667)
@Occulthawk, I'm gonna call bull**** man, no way you love every girl you've boned. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not psychic, but I don't think you'd talk crudely about sex if it was true. You can't call it love when you meet some girl in a nightclub and ragg her brains out. It's awesome, fair dues, but it's not love, dude.

Saying "I love every Woman I've had sex with" only really counts for anything if you like marriede your "childhood sweetheart" or some ****, it's a bit of a bare faced lie to just say "I love every girl I get in the sack" If you ask me.

Fair enough we've all probably said it to get some action, but let's be honest here man, you honestly telling us that's true?

exactly! that's why I called him out on it and he knows I struck a nerve so he had to resort to using childish insults that I haven't heard since grade school.

duga 04-12-2011 03:37 PM

I feel heartbreak is something everyone should experience. It really teaches you a lot about yourself. Whether or not you think love is real, heartbreak sure as hell is. It's the result of having something that used to be constant and reliable in your life ripped away all of the sudden. That's when people get desperate and that's when you see how low you can really go.

As for me, however, I'm still feeling the repercussions of being in love once. I'm over the girl...I'm not even attracted to her in the slightest anymore. However, I am now incredibly guarded when I meet new people. I've dated around but it wasn't until just recently that I met someone with real potential. I didn't expect this, but that potential scares the **** out of me. Now I have this conflict in my head where on one side I want to be around her all the time...on the other side, I don't want to get stomped on again.

Human emotions are fragile things. We evolved them to help us survive (you love the things that help you live...thus being monogamous and being able to pump out a constant supply of offspring; you hate the things that hurt you etc etc). This came into conflict when we evolved self awareness and a higher intelligence. Those logical thoughts find a hard time interpreting the primal and irrational emotions we have. That's is why love is such a big topic for all of us. Is it real? Is it necessary? No one will ever know.

s_k 04-12-2011 04:34 PM

Mmmm, you're very right when you say heartbreak teaches you a lot about yourself.
I can honestly say I've become a better person since me and my ex broke up after 6 years.
I can't say I'm over her. She's not really over me either. I guess we'll never be. But we are over the sadness.

Janszoon 04-12-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1035585)
I don't have a problem getting laid bro. you are talking to the wrong person with that.

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Sansa Stark 04-12-2011 07:26 PM

more like

http://www.zuguide.com/image/Ally-Sh...ast-Club.6.jpg

Janszoon 04-12-2011 07:29 PM

Nice, but I still say it's more like the "I've laid lots of times" scene I posted. :p:

CanwllCorfe 04-12-2011 07:53 PM

I don't think so. And instead of trying to explain it myself, I'll leave it to one of my favorite poets:

Quote:

All through an empty place I go,
And find her not in any room;
The candles and the lamps I light
Go down before a wind of gloom.
Thick-spraddled lies the dust about,
A fit, sad place to write her name
Or draw her face the way she looked
That legendary night she came.

The old house crumbles bit by bit;
Each day I hear the ominous thud
That says another rent is there
For winds to pierce and storms to flood.

My orchards groan and sag with fruit;
Where, Indian-wise, the bees go round;
I let it rot upon the bough;
I eat what falls upon the ground.

The heavy cows go laboring
In agony with clotted teats;
My hands are slack; my blood is cold;
I marvel that my heart still beats.

I have no will to weep or sing,
No least desire to pray or curse;
The loss of love is a terrible thing;
They lie who say that death is worse.

Paedantic Basterd 04-13-2011 12:14 AM

Duga's post is the most worthwhile one in the thread. There's nothing in it I disagree with.


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