58 Reasons to Hate America

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Where's the negative here? Taking on a bar full of people with a knife isn't quite as easy to do as using a gun. Plus you can't "fire" a knife through the door of a bar like you can with a gun.

By stating that he would attempt to use a knife while drunk backs up Jans statement. I wasn't arguing against it for that particular part of the scenario.

midnight rain · 06-30-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

By stating that he would attempt to use a knife while drunk backs up Jans statement. I wasn't arguing against it for that particular part of the scenario.

You keep saying that Jans is only using scenarios that illustrate his point. How about giving us some scenarios that illustrate your point then? If there are any.

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

You keep saying that Jans is only using scenarios that illustrate his point. How about giving us some scenarios that illustrate your point then? If there are any.

my scenarios that I have given are just LMAO hypotheticals so no, I'm not going to give anymore. You can go back and re-read some that I have stated.

Jans gives a scenario and it's all fine and dandy to back up his argument but if I give one then where is my experience in the field and everything else that has been said by others.

midnight rain · 06-30-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

my scenarios that I have given are just LMAO hypotheticals so no, I'm not going to give anymore. You can go back and re-read some that I have stated.

Jans gives a scenario and it's all fine and dandy to back up his argument but if I give one then where is my experience in the field and everything else that has been said by others.

I figured you wouldn't be able to back up your argument. Try thinking before you make an argument for once.

**Janszoon** · 06-30-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

your point is that you think if guns weren't so readily available then he wouldn't be able to have shot six people in a bar.

No, my point was to compare the amount of damage a jackass can do with a gun to how much damage he can do with a knife.

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I did get your point that it would cut down on the numbers a bit but I stated what I did up there to showcase the fact that if the person has intent to do harm they will regardless of their method

Yes, I've never claimed guns have somehow changed human nature. All I'm saying is they make killing people a lot easier.

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes, I've never claimed guns have somehow changed human nature. All I'm saying is they make killing people a lot easier.

I have agreed with this part of your statement a couple of times now.

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Originally Posted by Tuna

I figured you wouldn't be able to back up your argument. Try thinking before you make an argument for once.

why would I do a silly thing like that?

**Janszoon** · 06-30-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I have agreed with this part of your statement a couple of times now.

So then what are we talking about?

midnight rain · 06-30-2011, 02:10 PM

I think the better argument with making guns illegal has already been raised; that being that criminals will still find ways to illegally get their hands on guns while law abiding citizens won't have the means to protect themselves.

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

So then what are we talking about?

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Yes, I've never claimed guns have somehow changed human nature.

I was under the impression that you thought violence would take a sharp dive/decline without guns around.

Which was an error on my part

**Janszoon** · 06-30-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I was under the impression that you thought violence would take a sharp dive/decline without guns around.

Which was an error on my part

I do think it would decline, at least somewhat. Keep in mind I'm not saying it would go away, just that it would make it harder for violent people to cause as much damage.

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midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	I think the better argument with making guns illegal has already been raised; that being that criminals will still find ways to illegally get their hands on guns while law abiding citizens won't have the means to protect themselves.