58 Reasons to Hate America

**Janszoon** · 06-30-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I'm not gonna go out on a limb and say your correct. Theres a reason they have gun ranges. I've never seen knife ranges. I would feel more confident having a gun in every situation, even arms length. It takes alot of force to kill someone with a knife.

Thank you. I'd also add that there's a reason criminals generally choose guns over knives even though knives are cheaper.

crash_override · 06-30-2011, 09:19 AM

This is a ridiculous argument, obviously the gun is the dominant weapon. That doesn't mean they should be outlawed.

The Batlord · 06-30-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

they drive up....two hop out with the deadly knife tactics they kill the person and hop back into the car and ride off.

That's ridiculous. The whole point of a drive-by is that you can drive by and shoot someone quickly, without getting out of the car, and get away in seconds without there being much chance of being stopped or recognized.

You're just making **** up cause you're too lazy to actually think about whether or not your position makes any sense.

Note: I'm not really decided on the issue. I'm just pointing out a bad argument.

**Janszoon** · 06-30-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

This is a ridiculous argument, obviously the gun is the dominant weapon. That doesn't mean they should be outlawed.

I'm not actually arguing that guns should be outlawed, I'm just responding to DJ's claim that people would feel less safe if there were no guns.

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

That's ridiculous. The whole point of a drive-by is that you can drive by and shoot someone quickly, without getting out of the car, and get away in seconds without there being much chance of being stopped or recognized.

You're just making **** up cause you're too lazy to actually think about whether or not your position makes any sense.

My position makes perfect sense and I'm not being lazy about it, maybe you don't see the bigger scope and Janz probably missed it as well at the beginning.

if guns are outlawed completely and people weren't able to get guns other weapons would become the main weapon of choice and that will not stop any violence at all!

that's how this all started but maybe it was overlooked.

Americans are more violent in general and gangs will still find other methods to kill their rivals if they didn't have guns plain and simple.

how is that being lazy or having a weak argument?

maybe you are just being lazy and not thinking outside of the box or trying to understand my point. You probably just came in on the tail end of this discussion.

crash_override · 06-30-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'm not actually arguing that guns should be outlawed, I'm just responding to DJ's claim that people would feel less safe if there were no guns.

Well, his case lacks substance, evidence, and fact.

But, to add to his argument, I'd like to add that violence and murder were around LONG before guns existed. Even then, the only way to truly protect yourself was to own a weapon of your own, and be proficient in it's use. I have to say the same applies today.

But, to add to your argument, that weapon has to be a gun. There's a reason the saying: "It's like bringing a knife to a gun-fight" exists.

The Batlord · 06-30-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

My position makes perfect sense and I'm not being lazy about it, maybe you don't see the bigger scope and Janz probably missed it as well at the beginning.

if guns are outlawed completely and people weren't able to get guns other weapons would become the main weapon of choice and that will not stop any violence at all!

Of course violence would still happen. But it's much easier to kill someone with a gun. A knife takes more skill. You have to be closer and therefore risk being identified. You run the risk of dropping the knife in the ensuing scuffle. If you're going to surprise them and stab them before they can react you have to think up a way to get that close (unlike a long range gun). Even if you do manage to get that close, you still have to not get it stuck on a rib or other bone, since a knife will have more trouble penetrating through the body than a bullet. You run the risk of getting covered in blood, which is just one more possible trail of evidence. And this is all just off the top of my head. If you honestly can't see how a gun makes killing someone easier, then I can't help you.

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Americans are more violent in general and gangs will still find other methods to kill their rivals if they didn't have guns plain and simple.

how is that being lazy or having a weak argument?

A lame generalization. I wonder how on earth I could have come to the conclusion that your argument was weak or lazy?

And if Americans are more violent (which is an odd generalization seeing as how I've been in one fight in the last five or six years, and I'm a brutish, scary American) then shouldn't we take their guns away? Bad Americans! You are very bad Americans!

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maybe you are just being lazy and not thinking outside of the box or trying to understand my point. You probably just came in on the tail end of this discussion.

Maybe you should give other people's opinions some thought before you start figuring out how to deconstruct them so that you get to be right.

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

But, to add to your argument, that weapon has to be a gun. There's a reason the saying: "It's like bringing a knife to a gun-fight" exists.

Most of my statements are based off of gang activity and they don't really care if it's a knife or a gun that's being used, they will kill their intended target.

djchameleon · 06-30-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Of course violence would still happen. But it's much easier to kill someone with a gun. A knife takes more skill. You have to be closer and therefore risk being identified. You run the risk of dropping the knife in the ensuing scuffle. If you're going to surprise them and stab them before they can react you have to think up a way to get that close (unlike a long range gun). Even if you do manage to get that close, you still have to not get it stuck on a rib or other bone, since a knife will have more trouble penetrating through the body than a bullet. You run the risk of getting covered in blood, which is just one more possible trail of evidence. And this is all just off the top of my head. If you honestly can't see how a gun makes killing someone easier, then I can't help you.

you know how gang members stab people without being identified? they were colored scarves repping their gang. They usually have one in their back pocket and if something has to go down then they just tie it over their face and leave their eyes open

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

A lame generalization. I wonder how on earth I could have come to the conclusion that your argument was weak or lazy?

And if Americans are more violent (which is an odd generalization seeing as how I've been in one fight in the last five or six years, and I'm a brutish, scary American) then shouldn't we take their guns away? Bad Americans! You are very bad Americans!

yes because your personal anecdotal experience speaks for the entire country and latter part of your statement is a bit of my point based off of what Vanilla was saying earlier.

Some people seem to think that taking away guns will change things and they will be safer without guns around but that's not the case at all.

People outside of America going around using examples about their country and saying well if it's safer here with strict gun laws then it should work for America true which is faulty logic based off of our violent culture as a whole more so related to gang activity.

**Janszoon** · 06-30-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Most of my statements are based off of gang activity and they don't really care if it's a knife or a gun that's being used, they will kill their intended target.

It's funny that you seem to only want to talk about gangs here, but okay let's talk about gangs. I can't count the number of times I've read about kids or other innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire of gang shootouts. How often do you hear about random innocent people getting caught in the "crossfire" of a knife fight?