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ladyislingering 11-09-2013 12:10 PM
What if the only reason anyone's ever seen "the other side" via near-death experience is because of the last glimmer of consciousness, essentially filling the void with their idea of what would happen if they died?

Mondo Bungle 11-09-2013 12:59 PM
We're all in the Bardo.

Lord Larehip 11-09-2013 01:20 PM
If you don't die, who is going to pay for retirement when your money runs out?

And if my own father's death is any indication, there is a time when it is better to be dead than alive.

Taxman 11-09-2013 01:23 PM
we all are aliens for someone who lives on some other planet.

Mr. Charlie 11-09-2013 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by p-bo (Post 1382637)
I believe there are universal morals/beliefs that most people share, regardless of culture, religion, or upbringing. Just normal human decencies that most people share. Based of these, and your opinions, he's my question.

You have two people. One with the urge to commit a "wrong", yet refrains from such an action. The other has no such urge and therefore commits no transgression.

Example - Two priests. One is attracted to young men. One is not. Neither ever engages in such activity. The priest who has no interests/desires has an easier road. The priest with the desires uses every bit of his willpower to refrain. Who's better in you eyes/ God's eyes/ the eyes of the common good?

If this example is distasteful to you, fill in the blanks. It shouldn't make much difference what situation you use.
Neither is better in my eyes. In God's eyes and the common good's? I couldn't possibly say.

Dulce 11-10-2013 05:20 AM
if i'd traveled back in a time machine - i'd questioned the following:

dark matter versus dark energy or the speed of light or the jesus times or dinosaur times

i dunno, it's like 4:20 AM.

Taxman 11-10-2013 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie (Post 1382805)
Neither is better in my eyes. In God's eyes and the common good's? I couldn't possibly say.
Don't know but I have been told that a desire is not a sin, it only becomes a sin if you fulfill it.

Mr. Charlie 11-10-2013 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Taxman (Post 1382931)
Don't know but I have been told that a desire is not a sin, it only becomes a sin if you fulfill it.
Agreed. That's why they're equal in my eyes. Neither's actions are harmful.

p-bo 11-10-2013 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie (Post 1383012)
Agreed. That's why they're equal in my eyes. Neither's actions are harmful.
I'm not looking for harmful. Perhaps a different example. 2 students both score 1550 on SAT. One through hard work and dedication. The other through natural ability with very little effort. Or 2 athletes, musicians, etc...

Basically, do you weigh effort in equal results? Do you penalize people for bare minimum? If you considered Mozart and Beethoven equals, would you add merit to Beethoven as an over achiever or deduct Mozart as an under achiever?

Mr. Charlie 11-10-2013 04:45 PM
I don't mind bare minimum. Indeed I'm an advocate of bare minimum (or one lazy motherf*cker). It's worth remembering that everything in nature likes to occupy the lowest energy state possible - it's called the principle of minimum energy. Be it a hurricane, an earthquake, a supernova or black hole - it's all nature using the least amount of energy it can.


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