What Happened to Howard Part II

Salami · 12-13-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg

Although that would be nice to think, it's not true. A few members on here were friends with him on FB, and his friends and family were leaving condolences on his page. His family announced his death. It's real, unfortunately.

This is true I'm afraid, I heard the news over facebook and it was confirmed that there was a heart attack causing the fatality.

Just feel like mentioning I really agree with engine's point about the way he acted being considerably brave in his society. Homosexuality is a punishable crime, and he was quite flamboyant in his bisexuality. Like Engine, I love that pic of him in the pink shirt at the buffet lunch, it seemed to sum him up quite well.

The only regret I have is that I didn't try and ask him more about his phenomenally diverse musical tastes, which I previously have expressed some sadness over. Over facebook chat he would frequently tell me what he was listening to at that moment, followed by his opinion. It would have been great if I'd kept quizzing him because he knew so much.

The Batlord · 12-13-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Salami

I love that pic of him in the pink shirt at the buffet lunch, it seemed to sum him up quite well.

Why exactly do some people think this is a big deal? I see male office workers in pink shirts all the time, and I don't just assume that they're gay. It's not the norm, but it's not like it's anything scandalous or weird.

Key · 12-13-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why exactly do some people think this is a big deal? I see male office workers in pink shirts all the time, and I don't just assume that they're gay. It's not the norm, but it's not like it's anything scandalous or weird.

I think it's due to the social standard that men shouldn't wear pink, and when a man goes out in pink, it shows they are comfortable with their sexuality be it gay or straight.

Burning Down · 12-13-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why exactly do some people think this is a big deal? I see male office workers in pink shirts all the time, and I don't just assume that they're gay. It's not the norm, but it's not like it's anything scandalous or weird.

Well, he was living in a country where gays and lesbians are openly shamed and prosecuted for being so, and anything that might reflect/represent homosexuality (that would definitely be the pink shirt to them) is seriously frowned upon.

**Janszoon** · 12-13-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Well, he was living in a country where gays and lesbians are openly shamed and prosecuted for being so, and anything that might reflect/represent homosexuality (that would definitely be the pink shirt to them) is seriously frowned upon.

Colors mean different things in different cultures though.

The Batlord · 12-13-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Well, he was living in a country where gays and lesbians are openly shamed and prosecuted for being so, and anything that might reflect/represent homosexuality (that would definitely be the pink shirt to them) is seriously frowned upon.

But how do you know that? I have no idea what Malaysians think about pink shirts.

Engine · 12-13-2012, 02:04 PM

I also don't know what Malaysians think of pink shirts. Perhaps it's totally normal, but there's certainly a possibility that it's not.

Even though you see male office workers in pink shirts "all the time" I think there's still somewhat of a stigma in the US associated with which colors a man chooses to wear. I believe that some people think a pink shirt makes a man look gay.

Either way, I pointed out the picture not only for those reasons but to express my appreciation for his fashion sense, which I couldn't detect at all in the pics he posted of himself in T-shirts and baggy cargo pants.

edit: here is the opinion of one Malaysian man who doesn't have a BIG problem with it but feels that men should look tougher than women and pink symbolizes softness.

Unknown Soldier · 12-13-2012, 02:11 PM

Men wear pink shirts here and think nothing of it. It may have been a gay thing to do in the 1970s and 1980s but now it's just another colour.

If this article which I just sourced is anything to go by, Howard may well have been making a statement with his pink shirt.
Why is Malaysia trying to spot gay schoolchildren? | Matthew Todd | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

FRED HALE SR. · 12-13-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Men wear pink shirts here and think nothing of it. It may have been a gay thing to do in the 1970s and 1980s but now it's just another colour.

If this article which I just sourced is anything to go by, Howard may well have been making a statement with his pink shirt.
Why is Malaysia trying to spot gay schoolchildren? | Matthew Todd | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

The 80's held no stigma. Just take a look at Don Johnson from Miami Vice.

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12-13-2012, 02:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,108	I also don't know what Malaysians think of pink shirts. Perhaps it's totally normal, but there's certainly a possibility that it's not. Even though you see male office workers in pink shirts "all the time" I think there's still somewhat of a stigma in the US associated with which colors a man chooses to wear. I believe that some people think a pink shirt makes a man look gay. Either way, I pointed out the picture not only for those reasons but to express my appreciation for his fashion sense, which I couldn't detect at all in the pics he posted of himself in T-shirts and baggy cargo pants. edit: here is the opinion of one Malaysian man who doesn't have a BIG problem with it but feels that men should look tougher than women and pink symbolizes softness. __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through. Last edited by Engine; 12-13-2012 at 02:14 PM.