I love being Human, we're all so hypocritical.

Actually in this case I was thinking of feasible reasons why humans might be found in tesco burgers (why I half jokingly suggested they shoudl test for human dna). So the murder point was in that perhaps someone is covering up a "regular" murder, not that there are factory farmed people being killed to turn into burgers.

But if you want to get into the morality of killing people for food vs animals we could do that too I suppose.

Personally, I wouldn't be outraged to find horse meat in my cow meat. I mean.. pshh... why are we differentiating?
In fact, I would definitely buy some horse meat if they sold it as such.

You do know U.S milk is banned from being sold in europe don't you due to steroid content?

The U.s also allows almost double the somatic cell count, (pus) as europe and canada does for it's upper limit. And europe is thinking of lowering it even further.

The U.s also has a higher incidence of bovine mastitis than what I could find for the u.k

Took me a whole ten minutes on google to check that.

I don't have an agenda against milk, in fact I didn't really look into it until right now. Mainly because I don't appreciate being called an idiot.

WHATTT? Burgers contain low grade, poor quality and unknown origin meat? Tell me something my arse doesn't know at a festival in a portaloo circa 5 A.M.

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I have eaten a few bites of pure horsemeat. Tastes gamey in an unappealing way. I see nothing wrong with eating most animals, if they're handled okay. The deception/incompetence is the issue in this story. And I kind of agree that if you eat many burgers, you're taking unwise risks.

You spent a whole ten minutes on google researching the subject? It shows.

My method of learning about this subject differs from yours. I've repaired dairy equipment for small farms, and I've been employed by a large dairy farm to do the same. Meaning, instead of spending a few minutes on the subject, I've been immersed in it.

Now, you point out that various countries have differing regulations on the dairy business. While interesting, it remains irrelevant unless you show why one countries regulations are superior, presumably from a consumer's standpoint. I do hope we've all come to realize that various industries will put forth moral facades to make economic protectionism more palatable to the masses.

Mind, when arguing about why these regulations are superior, you need to address why people should not be allowed the option to purchase milk produced outside said regulatory parameters. As you should be aware, just because American dairy producers are allowed to use rBGH, does not mean they are required to do so, and this gives consumers a choice between purchasing milk from cows which may have been treated with rBGH and those which have not. Why should people not have this choice?

Now, regarding the errors in fact you put forth; incidence of mastitis in dairy cows is borderline irrelevant when discussing quality of milk. Why? Because when you milk a cow, whether you're doing it by hand or with a modern carousel that costs more than a house, there's an option to dump the milk at the very site the cow is being milked. Even if we ignore the various regulations ("laws") on this subject, farmers have an economic incentive to avoid this, as milk from cows with the disease has less nutritional value, meaning it well fetch less at market. Further, a dairy cow in it's primse is worth thousands, so farmers are on their guard to protect their investment, which means they will vaccinate and treat any infected cow as soon as possible - both to protect that particular cow, and prevent the spread to the rest of the herd.

etc., etc., etc.

I mentioned as a side point I had seen a video that put me off a bit regards to milk as it talked about the amount of pus and diseased udders.

I looked into it, and american milk has less rigorous standards, with higher allowed scc, more mastitis and allows steroids which have been linked to cancer enough to be banned.

So as far as I'm concerned I'm not an idiot. I'm also not interested in dairy product related debate. :)