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Face 01-16-2013 11:28 AM

Horseburgers
 
So, apparently (if you're in the u.k) we've all been eating horses for a while. Many, many burgers have been found to have horse meat.

Not too bothered, I just hope they also tested for human dna.

Janszoon 01-16-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1275171)
Not too bothered, I just hope they also tested for human dna.

Mmm... manburgers.

Salami 01-16-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1275171)
So, apparently (if you're in the u.k) we've all been eating horses for a while. Many, many burgers have been found to have horse meat.

Not too bothered, I just hope they also tested for human dna.

Well, apparently the ones you get from Lidl and Iceland stores are quite low, but any you've bought from Tesco have a huge percentage of horse DNA. Of course, I don't think it's actually harmful (or the French are screwed), but since we are sensitive creatures we don't like the idea of eating animals we really like, or keep as pets. Some people I know say eating horse is actually worse than eating dog.

Unknown Soldier 01-16-2013 01:29 PM

Read that some of the Tesco stores were removing their horseburgers to allay the public's fears. This is all they ever seem to do in the UK when something like this arises, remove so-called problem and then when the public forget about it next week, they'll be back on the shelves again like nothing happened.

Face 01-16-2013 01:46 PM

They're not gonna sell them on the cheap?

Too bad.

Unknown Soldier 01-16-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1275247)
They're not gonna sell them on the cheap?

Too bad.

They should flog them on the cheap, as for the quality of these burgers I have no idea as I never shop in Tesco, it's too expensive.

Face 01-16-2013 02:16 PM

I had some...brbrbrbrrrh..... some tesco burgers a few days ago... dunneigh if they were homebrand or not though.

right-track 01-16-2013 03:18 PM

You should try Tesco's meat balls...they're the dogs bollocks!

Sparky 01-16-2013 03:41 PM

still better than united states ****e meat

LoathsomePete 01-16-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 1275297)
You should try Tesco's meat balls...they're the dogs bollocks!

:laughing:

Janszoon™

14232949 01-16-2013 03:47 PM

Makes you wonder if reputable stores like Tesco are putting horses into their burgers, then what are manky kebab shops putting into their meat?

Cuthbert 01-16-2013 03:51 PM

Got some in the freezer. But I just checked them, and they're off.

14232949 01-16-2013 03:53 PM

they went off whilst frozen? okay..

Cuthbert 01-16-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant (Post 1275319)
they went off whilst frozen? okay..

;)

Unknown Soldier 01-16-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant (Post 1275313)
Makes you wonder if reputable stores like Tesco are putting horses into their burgers, then what are manky kebab shops putting into their meat?

Back in the late 90's there was the big "Mad Cows" scare in the UK with all types of of so-called dodgy meat going into mincemeat, burgers and pies here in the UK. The papers had people believing that they would slowly die if they'd eaten a lot of this stuff in the 1980s and 1990s, I think the overall amount of people that died or died from related type diseases was very minimal and after a short time period, it was practically forgotten by the general public.

Your average kebab and burger bar will be selling the lowest grade meat. Reputable stores should be selling better grade meat, but who knows what they sell us at the end of the day.

Face 01-16-2013 04:01 PM

Off as in off the plate and down your gullet.

I remember reading that most economy burgers are surprisingly low in meat anywa, even disredarding the lovely fat, gristle and eyeballs there's a lot of gelatin or corn or whatever, just filler. There was a legal tiffle about if you could actually call some of them hamburgers, they had to establish a minumum meat content, which I remember thinking was still quite low.

Also, somewhere in india I think they found ones that were literally about 50% cradboard being sold by street vendors. I'd probably eat one after a night out though...and love it.

Cuthbert 01-16-2013 05:00 PM

It was a horse racing joke. "And they're off!" :p:

Never mind :(

Face 01-16-2013 05:01 PM

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Doh!

Burning Down 01-16-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 1275309)
still better than united states ****e meat

You guys put like hormones in your meat and milk and all that, so yeah... it is gross.

anticipation 01-16-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1275403)
You guys put like hormones in your meat and milk and all that, so yeah... it is gross.

hahahahahaha try taking a trip to Alberta and then come talk to me.

Neapolitan 01-16-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1275323)
Back in the late 90's there was the big "Mad Cows" scare in the UK with all types of of so-called dodgy meat going into mincemeat, burgers and pies here in the UK. The papers had people believing that they would slowly die if they'd eaten a lot of this stuff in the 1980s and 1990s, I think the overall amount of people that died or died from related type diseases was very minimal and after a short time period, it was practically forgotten by the general public.

Your average kebab and burger bar will be selling the lowest grade meat. Reputable stores should be selling better grade meat, but who knows what they sell us at the end of the day.

The very first cases they didn't know it was cause by Bovine spongiform encephalopathy. Their were a few mysterious cases at the time. I guess the doctors thought they had Alzheimers or at least some related disease, but not all the symptoms matched. Someone peiced together what all the mysterious cases had in common and found what they had in common was roses. The roblem was that a few gardeners using bone ash for their roses. They actually caught it* from coming in contact with the bone ash which had the BSE. *In humans it is called Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease.

In America (at least at the time) any cow that wasn't suitable for market (any sick cow) was turned into the feed, and the cows that ate the contaminated feed were infected. I know what your think Upton Sinclair is spinning in his grave.

Paedantic Basterd 01-17-2013 08:32 AM

I think it was recently discovered in Sweden that a company had been dyeing pork to make it look like beef, but that's of real concern. All of Sweden could have worms by now.

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 1275513)
hahahahahaha try taking a trip to Alberta and then come talk to me.

I may be missing something here, but I don't think we're actually allowed to do that to our meat.

anticipation 01-17-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1275635)
I think it was recently discovered in Sweden that a company had been dyeing pork to make it look like beef, but that's of real concern. All of Sweden could have worms by now.

I may be missing something here, but I don't think we're actually allowed to do that to our meat.

I'm just saying that Canada is pretty export-dependent when it comes to beef/pork/poultry, so some of that is inevitably GMO and that the standards for factory farming among industrialized countries is pretty appalling across the board. It's hard to avoid factory-farmed food in North America.

Urban Hat€monger ? 01-17-2013 08:52 AM

I suppose we should be grateful they're actually using meat for a change even if it is horsemeat. It'll make a change from them injecting the crap out of it with water to raise the weight.

FETCHER. 01-17-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1275641)
I suppose we should be grateful they're actually using meat for a change even if it is horsemeat. It'll make a change from them injecting the crap out of it with water to raise the weight.

Probably still done that, robbing bastards.

Plankton 01-17-2013 09:11 AM

Was thinking of getting McD's for lunch today, but after seeing this post and reading an article on McRibs, I think I'll go eat a salad.

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The McRib itself is complex; it's 70 ingredients include a bleaching agent used in foam plastics, such as cushions used for gymnastics.

There's very little meat in these gym mats - YouTube

Burning Down 01-17-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 1275638)
I'm just saying that Canada is pretty export-dependent when it comes to beef/pork/poultry, so some of that is inevitably GMO and that the standards for factory farming among industrialized countries is pretty appalling across the board. It's hard to avoid factory-farmed food in North America.

Yeah but even if we're importing everything we still aren't allowed to sell or produce meat that's been injected with antibiotics and HGH and all that ****, and same with milk and other dairy products. It's different here than it is in the US when it comes to food standards, which might surprise you a bit.

Face 01-17-2013 12:28 PM

I thought some americans were paranoid nutters for refusing to drink milk.

But then I looked into the standards a bit over there...

Burning Down 01-17-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1275743)
I thought some americans were paranoid nutters for refusing to drink milk.

But then I looked into the standards a bit over there...

Yeah I've heard that a lot of milk there is chock full of HGH and other crazy shit. Don't know if that's actually true but it would explain why some of them won't drink it.

Face 01-17-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1275744)
Yeah I've heard that a lot of milk there is chock full of HGH and other crazy shit. Don't know if that's actually true but it would explain why some of them won't drink it.

Not to mention when the steriods allowed for dairy cows usually leads to what are effectively udder hemorrhoids leaking blood and pus into the milk. Don't know how common it is...but the pics even made me skip on having cereal that particular morning...and I can eat while watching almost anything.

Unknown Soldier 01-17-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1275529)
The very first cases they didn't know it was cause by Bovine spongiform encephalopathy. Their were a few mysterious cases at the time. I guess the doctors thought they had Alzheimers or at least some related disease, but not all the symptoms matched. Someone peiced together what all the mysterious cases had in common and found what they had in common was roses. The roblem was that a few gardeners using bone ash for their roses. They actually caught it* from coming in contact with the bone ash which had the BSE. *In humans it is called Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease.

In America (at least at the time) any cow that wasn't suitable for market (any sick cow) was turned into the feed, and the cows that ate the contaminated feed were infected. I know what your think Upton Sinclair is spinning in his grave.

The name Creutzfeldt Jakob disease was largely unknown outside the medical community in the UK and with the onslaught of mad cows in the 1990s everybody became familiar with it. Sure there were victims of this before, but I found the victims that became most associated with the disease were either the very young (upto early teens) or the elderly.

Scarlett O'Hara 01-17-2013 03:23 PM

I might find out if they have horse burgers in New Zealand. I'll go to a fancy restaurant and order some, see what facial response I get.

Burning Down 01-17-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1275754)
Not to mention when the steriods allowed for dairy cows usually leads to what are effectively udder hemorrhoids leaking blood and pus into the milk. Don't know how common it is...but the pics even made me skip on having cereal that particular morning...and I can eat while watching almost anything.

Doesn't happen here all that often because its against the law to feed your dairy cows steroids in Canada.

Engine 01-17-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1275171)
So, apparently (if you're in the u.k) we've all been eating horses for a while. Many, many burgers have been found to have horse meat.

Not too bothered, I just hope they also tested for human dna.

I'd as soon eat human flesh. Why not?

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Originally Posted by Salami (Post 1275197)
Well, apparently the ones you get from Lidl and Iceland stores are quite low, but any you've bought from Tesco have a huge percentage of horse DNA. Of course, I don't think it's actually harmful (or the French are screwed), but since we are sensitive creatures we don't like the idea of eating animals we really like, or keep as pets. Some people I know say eating horse is actually worse than eating dog.

It has nothing to do with my personal choice of domesticated animals. And why would it shock you that people think eating horsemeat is worse than eating dogmeat? Is there an obvious animal hierarchy that I'm missing?
I see no moral difference between eating humans, dogs, horses, pigs, cows, dolphins, cats, shrimp, crickets, cockroaches, etcetera. If I really need to, I won't prioritize, I'll take what I can get. As things stand, I have no reason to eat any of them.

Cuthbert 01-17-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1276009)
I'd as soon eat human flesh. Why not?

Same, but I'd want to know about the conditions the human lived in, much like organic chicken or beef.

I don't see the problem with horse meat being found in burgers. It didn't do Overeem or Serge Nubret any harm.

Engine 01-17-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1276012)
Same, but I'd want to know about the conditions the human lived in, much like organic chicken or beef.

Do you know anything about the former living conditions of the horses that you're eating?

Cuthbert 01-17-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1276014)
Do you know anything about the former living conditions of the horses that you're eating?

No, I've never eaten horse.

Engine 01-17-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1276017)
No, I've never eaten horse.

Oh, sorry. I thought you started the thread. oops.

As for bloody milk.. I haven't seen any proof of this but there used to be rumors that milk-sellers solve this problem by adding chocolate. It makes sense considering that chocolate milk such a popular, normal grocery item.

Face 01-18-2013 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1276009)
I'd as soon eat human flesh. Why not?

Ok, play the stone cold logic card if you want, and leave out the possible downfalls of a society that views one another as lunch..... but I doubt if someone informed you you were eating human flesh in the middle of your meal you would continue on like nothing happened.

Hell, even taking out any disgust factor...

Where the hell would the human meat be coming from?
1. Murder
2. Extreme malpractice
3. Terminal illnesses
4. Roadkill (as in human roadkill)
5. The elderly (tough and rubbish)

anticipation 01-18-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Face (Post 1276080)
Ok, play the stone cold logic card if you want, and leave out the possible downfalls of a society that views one another as lunch..... but I doubt if someone informed you you were eating human flesh in the middle of your meal you would continue on like nothing happened.

Hell, even taking out any disgust factor...

Where the hell would the human meat be coming from?
1. Murder
2. Extreme malpractice
3. Terminal illnesses
4. Roadkill (as in human roadkill)
5. The elderly (tough and rubbish)

What exactly makes killing a human for food murder but killing an animal for food not murder?


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