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Is animation just for kids?
Im 29 and i still watch cartoons but ive noticed that some ppl still don't respect cartoons like they do real life movies or series
they don't respect it a credible medium to tell a story, the Anime explosion change that, for those of you who do not watch anime don't think anime is just tentacle monsters raping girls (that's Hentai) Anime has a series for every genre, you know All those CSI bull**** cop shows? the anime Death note is better than all those cop shows combined For the longest time cartoons were just considered for kids.. it was something you left behind as you growed older, that was the general thinking of most ppl But shows like The simpsons And Southpark started to appeal to adults And anime revolutionised animation all together but some ppl still view animations for kids is animation just for kids? |
Speaking for anime, when I was into it, a lot of it is rated high (MA15+ R18+) due to a lot of gore, sex (not hentai), swearing and even rape. A lot of people of all ages watch cartoons I find. The ones that don't thinking "it's for children" mostly come off to me as pretentious in all honesty. Perhaps they have their reasons. You can say the same for comics and I enjoy reading comics.
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but seriously animation does vary to many different degrees and people that view it as just a thing for kids are a bit close minded to variety that animation can offer. Primetime cartoons including Adult Swim's lineup really squashes the whole notion of "cartoons for kids". Most anime that I have watched crams so much story detail in their plots that it can get convoluted at times but I still love them anyways. Speaking of Anime, I heard that Ghost in the Shell is getting some new mini-series but only in Japan I think. |
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animation is an artform it could be use to tell a kid's story or an adult one And anime is so diverse there's so many genres, horror, romance, meccha, echii, action it's creative possibilities are endless i think ppl should take animation more seriously and don't dismiss it as just for kids |
Considering there are so many hidden innuendos, references, and dirty jokes in a lot of old shows I used to watch as a kid, and I would just completely take the show and watch it as (an example) a cat and a dog attached together doing some crazy stuff. Some of the situations broken down now, are pretty f'ed up, but you don't analyze that type of stuff when you are a kid, so they can get away with slipping some adult humor and situations, assuming that only kids will watch it. Shows like Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons, Archer, Brickleberry, Robot Chicken, Aqua Teen Hunger Force etc. appeal to children because they are animated, is the intention for kids? Probably not, but can you stop them from watching? As an adult watching these shows, you have more knowledge and experience so you can relate to more of the show. I'm only talking about from a comedic and situational aspect. The great thing about animation is that it breaks all boundaries and can be extended to the likings of anyone, what you get from watching is whether or not you can dismiss the fact that you are watching an animation, can you let yourself enjoy it.
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Of course not, that's like saying that books printed in Comic Sans font are only for children. It shouldn't matter what the medium is, it's the content that applies to the demographic. Some can accomplish some aspects of storytelling such as imagery and verbose better than others, but that falls down to preference.
If you told someone that you liked [x] so much that it's your favourite movie, and they suggest [y] film because it's an anime film that is not only very similar, but it's far better. Would you refuse to look at it because of the way that it's presented to you? On the note of clean animated cartoons, it may not be easy for some, but it is possible to be funny without being blue. |
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I still love cartoons such as the original Scooby Doo, Powerpuff Girls, and a handful of anime. I do think that the larger amount of anime appeals to the 12-16 age group, however, and that only a select few could really be art forms that adults of all ages can appreciate.
One cartoon that I find incredibly intelligent and absolutely wonderful for both kids and adults is Samurai Jack. If you haven't seen it, you are missing out hardcore. I bought all four seasons on DVD. :) Although the series never had a proper conclusion, one can still hope. |
I love Animation. I'm particularly a big Disney fan. :D
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Im very glad that most ppl recognise animation as credible medium nowadays but there are still alot of ppl who view them as kids cartoons
cause for the most part most american cartoons are still being marketed to kids, take every CGI animated movie like Shrek, those still look like kids flicks right? they are still not taking animation seriously, i don't mean the animators, i mean the general public perception of animation Family guy and Southpark are for an older demographic but their comedy cartoons they are not being serious, Samurai jack like miss poptart said is a good example of trying to apply the seriousness of anime into an american cartoon speaking of comics, i remember in my days it was childish even for a teenager to collect comics, ppl dismissed it as childish but they had great stories, 10 to 20 yrs later Iron man is made into a movie, the avengers, and now EVERYBODY is on board >_> |
No, animation is not just for kids and anybody who says it is is either delusional or an idiot. Sure, there's a lot of animation that doesn't offer much to appeal to adults but that would be like saying only frat boys can like action films because they're the group that most of it's geared towards. Right now I'm burning through Adventure Time like there's no tomorrow and a few months ago I did the same with Friendship Is Magic. I feel that Pixar create some of the best films mankind has ever seen and I have a couple of animes on the sideline that are absolutely not for children.
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they just haven't seen spirited away ;) i don't wanna force ppl into liking what i like, but the story telling in Anime is very unique.. hollywood movies can't fill that void i can't help to think that ppl who don't watch anime don't know what they are missing out |
You wouldn't show an anime such as Ninja Scroll or Elfen Lied to a 7 year-old kid without mentally scarring them. So no animation is not just for kids.
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I don't think you can say it's just for kids, because I know back in the day when I used to watch all the old Nick toons there was a lot of jokes that went right over my head but my parents thought were hilarious. I feel like the creators throw those kind of play on words and little jokes for the older audience that is most liking watching as well.
The shows are made for anybody to watch, while kids maybe their target audience you know they have to factor in the other crowd as well. That can't really be said for stuff like Dora The Explorer and other crap like that, thats specifically made for kids. But for the majority of kids shows there is usually references they just wont get. Stuff like Regular Show seems like its made for adults, I'm surprised by how popular it is among kids. Its basically like this generations Beavis and Butthead. |
Edit: Holy text wall batman. Apparently I have a lot to say on the subject of media formats and creative mediums!
Its a medium. Like any medium, it can be leveraged to deal with topics and material both childish and adult. Music? Well, there are nursery rhymes, there's bubblegum pop, there's sexually charged pop (most of it), there's Led Zeppelin and Van Halen, then there's Marylin Manson, and you can keep going, right the way through metal, up to grindcore and beyond. The topics discussed in music vary to every possible facet of humanity, and are come at from many angles. The medium is very widely, and very effectively leveraged to put across all sorts of messages. The same can be said of Television - There are kids shows, childrens TV, action series, and again, we can continue all the way through until we've dealt with politics, religion, violence, sex, and combinations of all the above. Much TV material is absolutely not interesting to, or aimed at, or suitable for children - but just as much of it IS all of those things, and so once again, we see a medium leveraged for the benefit of not just one group but all groups. What about videogames? Well, again, there are childrens games, there are teenage games, skill games, RPG, horror, violent, sexual, competitive and social - all sorts of games with all sorts of content aimed at all sorts of people of all sorts of ages. Animation? Well, sure, there's Rhubarb and Custard and Superted. You get a little older in terms of the "intended" age range, watch Dangermouse. You outgrow that, you watch something like Fillmore, or Freakazoid. Older again, you can find stuff to watch like Bleach or Initial D, older again you might find some of the horror or thriller series like Monster, or Blood+ to be appealing, all the way up until something like Hellsing or Black Lagoon, both of which feature either graphic violence and/or deal with extremely challenging material which wouldn't be suitable for children at all. And thats without even touching on something like outright porn - After all, porn exists in ALL those mediums - TV, Film, Audio, even animated, as the threadstarter points out. And here's the really interesting bit - Using music as an example, since we're on a music forum - Lets take the "journey" of a persons musical taste throughout life. Well, as a kid, nursery rhymes. A little older, there might be a few chintzy pop songs on the radio to listen to, but nothing of any great weight, and even if it is sexual (Backstreet boys "Am I sexuaaaaall...yeeaaaaah... am I the only ooooneee? Yeaaaaah). A little older again - probably musically little changes apart from a few different songs, but as adolescence and education set in, the sexual content in much music becomes more evident. A little older again, perhaps a chance meeting with someone turns this person on to Nirvana - So begins a journey through rock music, starting with Nirvana singing about teenage angst, through all the dark and serious topics dealt with between Grunge and heavy metal. Alice in Chains singing about heroin, Nirvana's "Rape me", etc. At the end of the journey this person finds themselves an adult, in their mid 20s or so, and might either listen daily to Slayer, Anal cunt, and Sisquo's Thong Song, or they'll at least have an awareness of such if they've bothered to explore their medium in any depth. And has this person stopped enjoying any of that older music they listened to when they were a kid? Well, maybe, but I'd argue that the open minded among us don't. Gotye, for example, released a MEGAhit, "Somebody That I Used To Know". That song has a very adult context - a nasty breakup. The matter is dealt with in such framing that I believe it is clear this isn't some teenage breakup - its a breaking down and response to a very real, very adult relationship. But the intro is...what? Baa baa black sheep. And it works. It makes sense musically. its engaging. There's no reason why people can't still happily enjoy that little tune - if they want to. And you'll see this with any music lecturer - They'll go on for HOURS about how boring it is to hear the same chords and patterns and licks repeated all day. But if you talk to them about a nursery rhyme and ask them to explain how it works and why it works - Well, actually, in my experience most music teacher will sit there and explain exactly that - With GENUINE enthusiasm! Their eyes will light up and they'll relish the opportunity to get back to the absolute basics of music and show you, the pupil, why even the smallest thing about music, the simplest things you heard when you were a child, are exciting and interesting. Thats how it is with music, and in fact, thats how it is in any medium - EVEN if the material genuinely IS childish, and IS aimed at younger audiences, there's no reason there can't be something about that material that is worthwhile from a more adult perspective - As a child, nobody was capable of analysing and pulling apart baa baa black sheep - but as adults, we can do that and gain an appreciation for how something so simple was actually crafted with a very deft skill. On the same token, with something like television, people get nostalgia and a new perspective opens up on those old kids shows they watched, like Art Attack!. Sure, its no longer the same experience it was as a kid, but there's no reason someone can't sit down and watch an old episode of Art Attack, and enjoy it, perhaps laughing at the poor production, or having a giggle at how outlandish it seems now, when it was perfectly "normal" as a kid. What about games? How many people are out there who don't really play games, but will still have a good time if you throw pacman in front of them? Or who can hum along to the mario theme? Tons! And even people who play serious, hardcore competitive games, or games with hyper-violent themes, can share that same experience of going back to pacman and saying "This was really good!". There are still people out there to this day competing for the highest scores in retro games - There's even a documentary called King of Kong. And some of that competition is very niche, but very heated - Look at the speedrun marathon that speeddemosarchive organised - Awesome Games Done Quick - Most of the games being played there are childish, 8-Bit NES or 16 Bit SNES games, that these people have found a hobby in trying to break them and complete them faster than anyone else. And these people aren't crazy manchildren or freaky nerds - Sure, they're geeky, but thats immaterial - they're mature enough and dedicated enough to fly across a country, and do their thing in front of thousands to raise money for charity - Over $400,000 in the last event! And why? Because they're not concerned with what their age group is "supposed" to enjoy. They just enjoy what they enjoy and thats that. And because enough of them did that, they're their own awesome little group that does great things for each other and for people with breast cancer. So ultimately, why should animation be any different? There's a lot out there. Some of it is good, some bad, some childish, some adult, and every variation thereof. But I tell you what - I'm never going to think Dangermouse or Hong Kong Phooey were uncool, and I'm never going to hear the theme tune to Rhubarb and Custard without some measure of happiness. I'm also not going to be coy about the fact Freakazoid contained a TON of pop culture references that the kids it was aimed at simply never would have gotten. I'm also not going to tell you that Fairy Tail isn't fun to watch at any age, and I'm not going to tell you Hellsing or Black Lagoon are in any way for children - despite both of them being actually, pretty damned good. So watch whatever you want - Someone is always going to think its complete ****, and hell, if you've got bad taste, they may well be right. But its not because its animation, or music, or film - it'll just be because it is what it is. |
I'm not saying that animation is only for kids but personally I'm the sort of person who's never found anime interesting. I had an ex girlfriend who was really into it who would try & make me watch it and I just found them to be unengaging, cheaply made and boring. To be honest I had more enjoyment watching a Pixar movie with my nephew.
As for comic books / graphic novels, well I thought they were stupid even when I was a kid, especially Marvel comics. I've just never seen the appeal of superheroes. There's always been a part of me that thinks it's all rather pathetic when I've seen fully grown men going all gooey over a Spiderman comic. I've seen a other graphic novels and to be honest I find the whole comic book medium a bit boring and no matter how adult the story. It still feels like a book that's been dumbed down for people who can't handle a proper novel. Feel free to tear me apart. |
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No need to tear you apart - you're perfectly correct. As much as I said, say, Hellsing and Black Lagoon were great (And they are), they're not highbrow. Black Lagoon is occasionaly thought provoking, but its creator is clearly a great fan of 80's action flicks, and as such the show is at times a love letter to Girls Guns and Swearing. Hellsing on the other hand is very much a case of forcing the viewer into a position where the content of the plot and the characters reactions and interactions obtain some level of gravitas - There's no deep, underlying sub plot o anything like that, but it is a very effectively made show in terms of, like I say, positioning the viewer where they need to be in the setting. The thing is, most anime fans are teenagers, and typically, nerdy ones. I would consider myself quite capable, for example, of explaining to you exactly why Freakazoid is a fantastic cartoon, cancelled before its time because its content skewed demographics - As I mentioned, its humour often relies on reference to things that children simply know nothing about. Fillmore has the same problem - Its entire concept is basically "Lets put a 70's buddy cop show into a high school setting and sell it to kids" - The result is actually very good fun and immensely enjoyable - But, again, all of the ENDURING value of the show is lost on anyone who isn't culturally aware of what a buddy cop show is and does. Explaining these things to you is in no way difficult to me, but the shows I'm talking about were aimed at people ten years younger than I am. Can they explain these things to you in the relevant detail? Absolutely not. So when anime is "advised" to people, its a veritable minefield of completely bull**** advice, written by people who don't understand how to correctly analyse a thing that may genuinely have some fantastic qualities. Most people, having gotten into it as if it were a "cool" and "Different" thing due to its associations with japanese culture, end up overwhelmed by everything and lose perspective, end up just recommending what they like - Which might not be what you're looking for. Ultimately, I do believe there is animation out there, both in the form of japanese anime, and NOT in that form, which is sufficiently well done and well figured out to be appealing, as much to you as to me. I just don't believe that stuff is what typically floats the boat of anyone so immature as to recommend "Anime" rather than "How about THIS, particular anime, which I have looked at and believe you would enjoy". A lot of it also, is knowing how to enjoy the thing. Children don't understand the pleasure of owning and listening to a vinyl record - many of them never will know that pleasure. But some of them will LEARN that pleasure and its all a matter of being told what to listen for in a lot of cases. Same with anime/animation. I enjoy a ton of anime pretty much on the basis that it ISN'T clever. Some I enjoy from a perspective where they're fun BECAUSE they're incredibly stupid. Others still, I enjoy because they're stupid, but put across some, if not particularly sutble, good messages about their characters and their positive and negative traits. When someone says they don't like animation, to me I see that person like most of you would see someone who said "I don't like music" - Its clear, obvious even, that SOME music must exist that they enjoy. There's just too much of it out there for someone to hate all of it! They just haven't ever thought about it or looked for it or been shown it directly. The parallel goes even further - What if that person who says "I don't like music" is introduced to music by a poor teacher, or by someone who is unrepentantly nasty about how much they should like it? Well, that's going to reinforce their view rather than change it. It does damage to any effort that may occur to bring that person into the beauty of what music is and does. Unfortunately, most anime fans are simply poor teachers, and because they love it so much, they get bitchy and defensive when someone doesn't immediately love it - Which puts people off even more. Which is a shame. The one thing I *will* say is to remember that animation of all kinds is more than just "anime", despite the threadstarter's obvious inclinations. I mean, this is animation, no more or less than Anime is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8sLcvWG1M4 So are Tim Burton films, which, like or hate him, are enduring classics, or if the film itself isn't, certainly his style is recognised and influential. Alternatively, perhaps look at some of the stuff that's a little more genre-blurring. The Big O, for example, which, sadly, was cancelled before its 3rd series (Meaning its ending creates more questions than it could ever answer), but nevertheless shows a very good awareness of stuff like character dynamics, and a keen line of what there is to tell, and not tell, a viewer - its very good with suspense, and its writing/voice acting is rather excellent. |
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lol I remember when Drawn Together would air the real version late at night, animated breast and the fword everywhere lol.
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Obviously animation is only a medium, but in general it is just for kids because that is the target audience. Even in Japan the age limit is just high school. There are a lot fewer animes that are legitimately targeted at people older than that and most of them are for college kids. Just because it doesn't have the same stigma as in America doesn't mean that a thirty year old obsessed with Naruto isn't considered a loser in Japan. I agree with Urban these days. I used to love anime, but for the most part I've lost interest, with the notable exceptions of Evangelion, Hellsing, and Studio Ghibli films. I'd rather watch Toy Story or even Justice League.
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How many girls do you know over there in america who still love all the old disney films and their princesses? I dunno if it carries over, but here in the UK, most any girl who isn't involved in some sort of defined alternative social "scene" seems to have that glow of nostalgia about disney films, and will show no fear whatsoever in clarifying their favourite princess or whatever. There's nothing wrong with that and none of them will ever be called childish for it - Unless they're obsessed with it. And that isn't really an issue with the thing itself, so much as it is an issue with the idea that as adults, the act of childish obsession is something destructive to other areas of our lives. The fact we have more responsibilities precludes our ability to *be* obsessed by something - whereas for a child, making something your whole world, even if only until the next fad comes along, is kind of...well, its just a thing that kids DO, and are expected to do. Also there's plenty of animation, western and otherwise, that is absolutely not for kids. I mean, take for example DyE - Fantasy, which is french: (NSFW) DyE - Fantasy - Official Video - YouTube I don't think there's any doubt of two things here - One is that the video is actually very visceral and adult, and two is that its actually very well animated and directed - In fact, the director has arguably used the lack of credence given to animation, and/or the "Distance" created by using a medium which is obviously not real, in order to represent material which if this were live action would be unduly disturbing. |
i have no idea why animation still has the stigma is just for kids
is not the stories, cause if you seen animation you know the stories can be quite mature it's the medium, it's the fact that it is a drawing somehow ppl can't respect it as a medium to tell a serious story yet they watched the lion king and cried when mufasa died, but in their mind Disney movies were an exception idk were this stigmas come from but they are deeply programmed in us it's like when someone says "The book was better than the movie" There's ppl that say that just because there is this notion that books are smarter than movies it's like some guy a long time ago decided that books are smarter than movies and animation is just for kids cause they are just drawings compared to a painting animation is not even an artform to them ppl think they are above this influence, but this mindset is passed down from generation to generation, they are inclined not to take animation seriously under the preconceived notion that is just for kids |
This might throw a monkey wrench into the situation:
The Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia IMO, it's whatever demigraphic they're trying to reach. Like the movie Heavy Metal, it was aimed at Sci-Fi fans which are normally not children. I believe some of the artistry in it was a nod at Frazetta, and/or Boris since it certainly had similar takes on the male and female form. |
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I think you're really stretching here. There's tons of adult oriented animation out there that is very good, to reduce "animation" down to "mostly for kids" and then use that to try and discredit people who think otherwise. Most TV is ****. How much reality TV crap is there out there that isn't interesting? Actually tons. Doesn't mean we don't have series like breaking bad or Dexter. On the same token, Anime has plenty of complete **** too, and a lot of it is very popular - So popular in fact that it seems to be all people talk about at times - The X Factor, or Big Brother of anime, hugely popular, utterly dreadful, say for example bleach or naruto, which are **** compared to plenty of other stuff. That said, there's tons of TV that isn't **** and tons of animation that isn't either. |
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I am saying that what a medium is "mostly" about is almost never a reflection of what that medium should be respected according to. If it were, TV would be shat on for being all about reality TV and Kim Kardashian. Film as a whole would be slated for being nothing but guns girls and explosions. Music would be seen as a childish, irreverent series of crazes and fads. None of those things are treated that way, so why should anyone believe animation is just for kids? They shouldn't. It should be treated like any other artistic or creative medium since the dawn of time - Capable of great things, and usually not leveraged FOR great things. |
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it's all fantasy anyway, those CSI dicks are actors not RL Cops it's kinda silly to label "fantasy" childish seeing as we all do it and animation is still viewed as too much of a fantasy.. it's like ppl draw a line as what is too fictitious we all think that in a way Animation is nothing but drawings but now their stories have depth |
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If you're bored with anime, all you have to do is do a little digging and you can find a bunch of stuff. Like the french music video I posted earlier. |
Rex the Runt anyone?
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No way. Anyone who says they don't enjoy a good cartoon (designed for children or adults) is lying.
I really love classic cartoons from the 1930s/40s (even though they're kind of bizarre and sometimes racist). They really remind you of how different things are nowadays (for instance, you can't just go to your drugstore for heroin because you've got a stomach ache) and there's a bunch of strange details. That, and I just have a really tender love for cell animation. When I'm stressed or bored, I like the nostalgia of 90s cartoons (some of the most popular tv series during the greater part of my childhood were completely filthy). These days I just about die laughing over the sick jokes cartoonists managed to get away with back then. Ki and I have been catching up with Bob's Burgers lately. It's a hilarious animated series. (We've also polished off every episode of Rocko's Modern Life and Beavis & Butthead.) I've been watching Crayon Shin Chan for the past few days (my sister and I used to watch it all the time; it's really raunchy/funny) and I also really love Regular Show. Why? I guess my inner child is a terrible person. Or I'm just in my mid-20s and don't give a shit anymore. I don't really care much for anime (my sister is obsessed with a bunch of series I've never heard of, though) or anything with a lot of CGI in it (CGI makes me sick to my stomach; Pixar, I'm looking at you). Some of the newer animated series that are geared toward those of us with a dry sense of humor (or particularly produced for adult audiences) are pretty funny, though a lot of it is rather hit and miss (Family Guy, for instance - sometimes I laugh, and sometimes I just want to slap Seth McFarlane in the face with a chainsaw). Spoiler for some unrelated crap that nobody cares about:
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^I loved that you said you watch cartoons when you're stressed!
Since I got netflix, invader zim and other cartoons have been some of the best ways to destress or let go of anxiety! They are simple and funny and just allow you to let go without having to think too much. |
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Of course! Great colors and funny, silly jokes and just all-around positivity!
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I would say not sir
Well I'm a loyal Toonami faithful so of course I still watch anime at my age. Love chillin' like a villain with my old friends Tom & Sara every saturday night. It's safe to say that at least half of anime's made since the late 70's are actually aimed towards teens and even adults. This is mainly due to the amount of adult subjects, level of violence (even tho it's label as cartoon violence), amount of blood shown, sexual content, political views and historical references. Yall dig!?!
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