the definition of "troll" escapes me. yes. i'm serious.
 

i'm sure there are a good number of people around here who have at least begun to acknowledge my childlike ignorance when it comes to internet etiquette. if not, awesome. but if so, please forgive me. music banter is the only forum that i've ever been on, and it's where i learn everything about forums.

anyway. as of about 15 minutes ago, i've been accused of trolling twice. for the first person who ever called me out on it (and not the second, because i don't feel the need to explain myself to an idiot), i would like to say that it confused me because i (perhaps ignorantly) look at the structure of a forum as a conversational framework. as in, back and forth. sometimes there are many people, and sometimes there are few. sometimes it's lighthearted and sometimes not so much.

i guess what escapes me about the definition of what trolling is stems from the fact that i never say things to incite anger. i say what i say to get my point across, and as is the nature of conversation, rivulets and streams often occur outside the main body, and i find myself checking in on and adding to an ongoing conversation.

so i suppose my question is: is it a faux pas to look at forums like this? is it expected of members to have perfectly worked out the substance and explanation of their point in an effort to make a single, contributory post?

seriously. i have no idea. any and all thoughts please.

:)

"Trolling" is the act of making statements with the intent of disturbing/annoying/getting-a-rise-out-of others.

I feel like this thread is a backwards troll, where you're saying you don't know what a troll is even though you do & then when you're called out for it you'll deny it & cry, but I hope I'm wrong since Internet trolling is a pathetic thing to do

Yet you're doing it. Oh sweet irony.

:confused: So you're trolling PAN to tell him trolling is pathetic? Mmmm that's good logic. There seems to be a pattern to your posts where you disingenuously claim ignorance while further goading anyone you interact with. THAT is the definition of troll.

hope avails... but somehow ironically.

lol@ how you guys are attempting to turn this around on me, I guess this place is filled w/ trolls like you guys

How can an internet user who regularly posts on a forum make a thread saying he/she doesn't know what trolling is, it is obvious he's trolling & it's pathetic but believe what you want. my og comment clearly pointed out op's hypocrisy & the irony about this thread

It's trolling within trolling. Meta-trolling. This is great.

dude. you attacked me in your first comment. i think if you read through the OP it might become obvious by the fact that no one has called me out for feigning internet etiquette ignorance that i was posing a genuine question. it appears you have 17 posts. you are the only one to say anything of the sort. nuff said.

and pedestrian: thanks for clearing that up.

Why do you continue to post here then, if you firmly believe that all were doing is trolling you? It's very easy to leave and never come back.

and what the f*ck does "obliviously" mean?

k now i'm trolling.

HA.

^thanks for admitting it

no more will I feed you beasts

It means you're trolling and you don't even know it. :p:

oh. :confused:

LOL. That was a joke. Sorry, my jokes are hard to recognise sometimes.

I'm taking a break from my shopping to answer this without being too meta that it goes over everyone's heads and becomes "Hermione is a bitch tho wow what is joeks" again

Oh wait oops
Anyway

A troll's real definition can vary from the user or the reader's perceptions. A popular type is the malicious troll who relentlessly aims to gain the control, despite the implications and consequences. It's rage is untempered by anything resembling logic or patience, or the self awareness to see that their every barbed word is a paradox. A second kind of troll is one who sees that this troll is more than just a hateful machine, but recognises it more as an abused dog chasing it's tail in front of the owners it bites in hopes for an outreached hand. These trolls are often not truly malicious, yet will engage in similiar behaviour to the first if they detect the manifestation of insecurities and entitlement becoming less of an abstract concept, but a concrete one with real life consequences. The third kind of troll, is the sort of magical creature that AwwSugar and FETCHER defeated for me in the girl's bathrooms, in our first year at Hogwarts

PAN and Ass Napkin should get a room.

Yes it's a whole forum full of trolls, that makes total sense.

He's on to us.

haha. i was joking back. maybe we joke same-wise.

now THAT'S a damn ANSWER... aside from my not knowing what "meta" means (in your usage of it) or "joeks", which could be "jokes" but i'm not sure cuz i'm not privy to what seems like a whole world of internet terminology (is this "leetspeak"?!? i've heard of that!! i'm so lame.)

anyway. hermione. you seem to know a lot about people. thank you as well this succinct reply. (even though i don't get to know what the third kind is.)

For all future computer-lingo queries:

Urban Dictionary, May 1: computer anxiety

i almost sh*t myself cuz i scrolled down and saw that there were 427 pages... then i saw the search bar.

thanks. i hope i'm not the only one (in history) who might find this thread useful.

If you were to walk into a bar and pick a fight with everyone, would you accuse them of ganging up on you?

"I was just minding my own business officer throwing a few swings. Everyone else just walked into my fist".

The third kind is a joke, as in, trolls that exist in legend and folklore. Like me. But unlike those cold creatures, who live under bridges and jump out and attack unwary passers-by, I have a heart. :)

Oh wait! Sssh! Here comes an unwary passer-by... :rofl:

To be more serious, I see a troll as someone who really is not interested in a forum, or a discussion, so much as creating arguments, bad feeling and making themselves feel superior to everyone else. Like someone running into a debating society and shouting "You're all queer!" It's someone who does things purely to be noticed and make a fuss, usually negatively. Someone who wants all the focus on them, and doesn't in any other way contribute to the forum.

That's how I read it, anyway.

Can you hit up the Tin Man and the Lion up then and journey off?

Anytime you are confused about memes online just head over to know your meme. They have a pretty extensive page on trolling and the different types.

Trolling | Know Your Meme

Anyways, why is Zelda always saving the princess?

lol. i think my main problem with the forum framework is that i find it very hard to hone in on subtle things when everything is made of text. ie. i thought hermione was totally serious when she said there was a third kind. whether it be from lack of experience or lack of some mysterious facility, i currently just don't have that thing that tells me when someone is joking unless it is (perhaps more than) blatantly obvious. i'm okay with that as not knowing everything is perfectly fine to me, but as i alluded in my OP, it's definitely got me into some trouble in the past.

anyway... thanks for clearing that up TH.

this is one of those things i was just talking about... you know, that i just don't get.

EDIT: by that i mean it sounds to me like you're telling me to f*ck off, but i'm not even sure. :/

thanks for the resource. :)

so, i've been doing a little reading via knowyourmeme. it's interesting. as i read the below quote it dawned on me why i've been accused of trolling. i just really am that naive when it comes to a lot of things, and generally i don't let pretense or etiquette get in the way of finding common ground in terms of understanding. i will ask pretty much whatever question comes to mind, and i will feel totally innocent when i'm doing it. i would rather embrace my naivety than deny or hide it. it's just the way i am, in real life and online. if i didn't ask all the questions i do i wouldn't know anything. forever a "n00b" i suppose.

In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word “troll” to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities. Early trolling was relatively innocuous, taking place inside of small, single-topic Usenet groups. The trolls employed what the M.I.T. professor Judith Donath calls a “pseudo-naïve” tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. The game was to find out who would see through this stereotypical newbie behavior, and who would fall for it. As one guide to trolldom puts it, “If you don’t fall for the joke, you get to be in on it."

I don't think it was directed at you.

It wasn't directed at him. And it was a subtle way to say piss off or get the **** out. Good stuff.

Who was it directed at? :confused:

I assumed it was directed at you.

When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

Why are there eyes in your cunt?

Spider cunt, spider cunt. Scientifically accurate spider cunt.

Hahaha.
I actually had the song from your video stuck in my head right as I read this.
It was that perfect accidental awesome.

****. This is getting hella Nietschze.

How is "og" used in this context? Is it used in the sense as something a Caveman name "Og" would say?

i was curious about that myself. i looked it up on urban dictionary, and it said og means "original gangster." there is also og-kush, which is a type of pot. none of this helps. i know.

EDIT: "Og" sounds less like a caveman name and more like a troll name. at least to me, anyway. ;)