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Democrat 10 25.00%
Republican 5 12.50%
Independent 9 22.50%
Other 16 40.00%
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Old 08-02-2014, 07:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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"I identify as socially liberal but fiscally conservative because weed is cool but i think those poor kids are too grabby with that not wanting to starve to death thing"
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:38 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm independent and it pisses my friends off. I tell them why follow one parties political standpoints and be all single minded when you can actually decide stuff yourself by the weighing the options.

I love in Southern-ish Indiana, so everyone is the stereotypical redneck republican.
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Old 08-03-2014, 12:21 PM   #43 (permalink)
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i have opinions but i don't vote. it seems like a waste of time to me. to be perfectly honest i don't care enough whether the democrats or the republicans win the election.. they are too close in ideology for me to expend any serious amount of effort lobbying for one over the other.

as for my opinions i am a leftist on most issues, though there are some issues the left adopts that i either don't care about or disagree with them about. but basically i support somewhat socialist economic policies along with socially liberal policies in most cases. the two exceptions i can think of off the top of my head are guns and war. i think guns are fine and war is sometimes either necessary or useful.
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Old 08-03-2014, 12:48 PM   #44 (permalink)
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i have opinions but i don't vote. it seems like a waste of time to me. to be perfectly honest i don't care enough whether the democrats or the republicans win the election.. they are too close in ideology for me to expend any serious amount of effort lobbying for one over the other.
Same here. There are plenty of legitimate issues to be argued, but to me the most important one, or at least the one that needs to be dealt with before you can realistically go about the rest of them, is that the government is unable to function anymore with the current political climate. The public can't even talk to each other about politics anymore, and all of the moderates are too turned off by the process to even try talking sense into the squeaky wheels. And the politicians are only too happy to take advantage of this, resulting in government paralysis. With the country so evenly divided it's impossible for one side to ever truly beat the other, so every few years one party comes to power, gets to shove through whatever policy they can with whatever underhanded way they can with little to no cooperation from the other side while repealing or undermining the previous policies of their rivals, and then inevitably lose favor to be voted out themselves. And so the process repeats like an ineffective pendulum.

Until this issue is addressed then all of the other battles are temporary victories in a losing war that is being ignored because the populace can't see the forest for the trees. And without their acknowledgement of this any vote cast is pointless at best and at worst as much a part of the problem as any action by a corrupt politician, so what's the point until the narrative changes?
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Old 08-03-2014, 01:29 PM   #45 (permalink)
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yea, and what's worse is the policies aren't even what matters to them. republicans supported something similar to obamacare as an alternative to universal healthcare in the 90's, but once a democrat proposes it it's socialism and the death of the country. democrats decried bush for his corrosion of the bill of rights with illegal surveillance and his imperial foreign policy, yet stay silent when obama continues those very same policies and in some cases even ramps them up a notch. it is all a cynical game where the two sides maneuver for power and influence. to be perfectly honest i don't have much faith in democracy in general, especially when coupled with capitalism. it just creates the incentive for rich and powerful groups to lobby for political influence and fund propaganda campaigns to control the political debate among the populace.
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Old 08-03-2014, 01:43 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I'll never understand how people can know that the politicians are full of ****, know that politics is a hoax, know that their votes are becoming more and more meaningless, and yet when election day comes along they're stumping for so and so and railing against his opponent. How anyone ever bought into "Yes we can!" beats the **** outta me. I know a cheap slogan when I hear one and I knew Obama was a shyster no different from any of the other scumbags as soon as I saw him. I only voted for the dude cause I was hoping he'd be less of a warmonger than McCain. No John, I am not a Georgian. I am someone who has no desire to start WWIII with Russia.
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so what's the point until the narrative changes?
How do you think the narrative will ever change?
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How do you think the narrative will ever change?
Well nothing happens in a vacuum. People aren't just going to "wake up" without some new stimuli being introduced. The biggest depression since the Great one hasn't really lit a fire under our collective asses, several pointless wars haven't made anybody do anything besides bitch at a TV screen, people still complain about attack ads while using them to decide who to vote for, congress grandstanding until our credit rating took a hit didn't wake anybody up, etc, etc, etc. If a wake up call is going to have to be even worse than all of those then... ****, can you blame me for a lack of enthusiasm? All the making up flyers, and writing letters to my congressman, and voting for the lesser of two evils in the world aren't going to be able to convince a population that is committed to indifference and I don't have the faith or the drive to be the guy who's willing to bang his head against a wall to change it. You have to have a certain level of deluded optimism to be able to believe in such radical change when all of the facts to the contrary are staring you in the face, and irrational or not, those are the kind of people who accomplish things. I am not one of those people. Never have been, never will be, so I'm just not the man for the job.
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I feel like the narrative is slowly starting to change and people are realizing that we have to attempt to get money out of politics.

Occupy Wall Street had the right idea but no real direction. The only thing it ended up accomplishing was bringing to light an issue that has been going on for far too long with lobbyists. The ridiculous amounts of money that gets thrown at both parties is out of control. When they campaign they spend 80% of their time just fundraising alone.
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I feel like the narrative is slowly starting to change and people are realizing that we have to attempt to get money out of politics.

Occupy Wall Street had the right idea but no real direction. The only thing it ended up accomplishing was bringing to light an issue that has been going on for far too long with lobbyists. The ridiculous amounts of money that gets thrown at both parties is out of control. When they campaign they spend 80% of their time just fundraising alone.
Occupy Wall Street was for the most part a bunch of college kids. College kids with signs do not change public policy, no matter how much the sixties generation would like you to think so. A significant enough voting bloc does. And right now the people with common sense who might agree with me are too busy tuning out because the squeaky wheels, such as the Evangelicals, are making the debate so unbelievably unpleasant to be a part of. We just get lost in the incendiary rhetoric that moves the extreme ends of the political spectrum, who, as the Tea Party has shown, are willing to go somewhere else for their political pandering, while the rest of us are still willing to vote for their choices because at least they're better than the alternative, right?

And sure, there's a very real chance that the Republican Party may well splinter into two halves that end up losing much of their influence, but in the mean time the public discourse is becoming ever more polarized because of it. And even if the Evangelicals marginalize themselves by breaking with the more moderate side of the party, you still have a younger generation of socially liberal conservatives who hate Obamacare just as much as the racist, homophobic, Bible thumpers who seem to be multiplying at an ever increasing pace who may very well pick up the torch of anti-Communist fear mongering.

Not to mention the corporations who continue amassing ever more, not less, influence. Until sensible people's voices can compete with the shear amount of money that big business throws at Washington, especially now with Citizen's United making buying politicians now de facto legal, then we are again drowned out.

The Great Recession and dissatisfaction with the government may have inspired Occupy Wall Street, but there has also been no escalation. Some people hung out in tents for a few weeks and then it was over, move on to the next Kardashian sister who's pregnant. The fact that there was such a large protest movement in the first place is cause for some kind of optimism sure, but until it builds into something greater and more politically influential, something that truly reflects mainstream America and not just the more radical elements of it, it's nothing more than an isolated brush fire. And for that, we need greater negative stimuli to hit: an even worse recession, intervention into a war with casualties in the tens of thousands rather than just the thousands, Congress so deadlocked that they legitimately cause this even worse recession, or for all I know it might even take legitimate economic collapse. Something that people can't just ignore and grumble about cause at least they can still afford Cable and don't have to worry about a draft. Might it change sometime in the future? Sure. Will it happen any time soon? As in the next decade, or couple of decades? I'm dubious. And whenever that change occurs will it be caused by or possibly even cause something that destroys whatever optimism this change might otherwise have given me? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. Remember, it was complete economic collapse that led to the fall of the Czar's tyranny in Russia, and it resulted in rise of the Soviet Union. Be careful what you wish for.
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