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jwb 07-25-2019 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2067989)
fair enough,

I don't think there's much point to talking about choice other than curiosity in the meta sense

in terms of real world consequence, it seems moot, as if the choices you make would drastically change if only you realized you were making them

a man can not pull himself up by his own bootstraps
see once again that's the contrast

To me, the choices you make and the way you conduct yourself is the most relevant thing you can address in terms of day to day life.

Where as criticisms of the system are more abstract and removed from how your life might actually be changed.

The Batlord 07-25-2019 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2067991)
see once again that's the contrast

To me, the choices you make and the way you conduct yourself is the most relevant thing you can address in terms of day to day life.

Where as criticisms of the system are more abstract and removed from how your life might actually be changed.
I guess that's why you're willing to vote for someone like Trump cause you can imagine how he might improve your life but the wider world he might ruin doesn't exist.

Exo 07-25-2019 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2067990)
Was just a joke brody.

"Vee vill see how they interact. Den vee vill inject puss into their open wounds. " - Exo
You joke. I joke.

jwb 07-25-2019 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2067993)
I guess that's why you're willing to vote for someone like Trump cause you can imagine how he might improve your life but the wider world he might ruin doesn't exist.
Nah. I was just sucked into the cult of personality and not concerned about the potential harm done. You know when Trump won me over? When they accused him off calling women fat pigs on the republican debate stage and his response was "only Rosie O'Donnell."

I didn't vote though. Contrary to popular opinion I'm not a republican either. Only time I ever voted was for Obama in 08.

jwb 07-25-2019 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2067994)
no I actually agree with you

I'm just only personally interested in the latter as I'm not a self-help guru
I don't think it takes a self help guru to realize that sometimes you need to get your **** together

I have rejected my share of self help people in the past. I get why it's corny. But you shouldn't write off every message about self improvement as snake oil and thus reject it. Especially if you're in a position like I am where you're not at all satisfied about where you are in life.

As for the last part I'm not saying politics isn't important. It's a worth while career for the people who care to take it on. It's just not a quick fix like I said so taking on **** in your own life head on is more pragmatic

DwnWthVwls 07-25-2019 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2067984)
Yeah see I think this is trying to be a Republican who thinks that everything is in your control and blaming anything on anything other than yourself is making excuses, but you know that's bull**** but you still want the Republican view that anything good happening for you is something you did that you should pat yourself on the back for.
So is the democrat POV that anything good that happens to you is because of the system?

The Batlord 07-25-2019 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2067999)
So is the democrat POV that anything good that happens to you is because of the system?
Yes that's exactly what I said, dip****.

DwnWthVwls 07-25-2019 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2068001)
Yes that's exactly what I said, dip****.
Im not a dip****, im autistic.. keep ur insults in line. Also, thats in the running for the dumbest things ive ever heard, including mindfuls science thread.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2067994)
additionally, the almighty system is more responsible for the life you're in than any decision you've ultimately made powerless as you may be to influence it short term
I mean so is biology and the natural world.. who cares? You play the game of life making decisions you have control over.. and if you want more decisions you take steps to make them available.

The Batlord 07-25-2019 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2068002)
Im not a dip****, im autistic.. keep ur insults in line.
Autism isn't connected with intelligence. You'd know that if you weren't a moron.

Exo 07-25-2019 07:07 PM
Chill the f*ck out, Bats.


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