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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 2077038)

I think everyone just needs to calm down and stop being a bitch

I mean, we all gonna die one day.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077028)

I honestly think it's a wash, sorry that view isn't optimistic enough for you

"you can try the best you can, you can try the best you can..."

I mean it's a simple yes or no question. I'm assuming that by it's a wash you're saying no.

One time when we had this argument you said nobody is saying choice doesn't matter at all. Now, if I'm reading you right, you're saying precisely that it doesn't.

It's not just that this isn't optimistic. It's wrong. And it provides a convenient rationalization for making bad and/or lazy decisions.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077045)

certainly you have autonomy, so choice does matter

but precisely nobody is going through life always making the right decision

the degree to which a poor decision ends up keeping you down largely comes down to your social class

and the decisions you end up making are influenced by your environment

so in a practical sense, it's a wash

I think this is what I've been consistently saying

Nobody consistently makes the right decisions because nobody is perfect. You can still affect your outcome by your decisions.

It's true that people are influenced in their decision making but once again there is nothing inevitable about how you are influenced. If social cues influence your decisions, then so does the importance you ascribe to decision making. So if you view them as mostly pointless, you have no incentive to make any sacrifices or abstain from any impulses.

I know my decisions matter because I know what my impulses are. Living at a half way house and trying to slowly pay off my debt to the state isn't a glamorous existence. But I know first hand that it can be much worse.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077046)

in the case of Batty and OH though it just seems like capitalism is not offering them something that's worth the effort

and I can't blame either of them for it

I work to go to school entirely for the social aspect of it come to think of it

I need the grades to get into a University

I'm dreading the actually getting a job after part, I don't really see the point either, I'll probably hate it

No offense but aren't you the same guy who's goal doesn't allow for him to make a B in a community college math class cause it will hurt his GPA?

You're right. The worse off you are the harder it is to do anything about it. There's no doubt about that. When you go into the realm of the third world... A lot times their only hope is to flee and try to migrate. And even that is something most can't afford or they don't want to leave their family etc.

But I'm sure that in their day to day lives their decisions also matter. I'm not saying that you can bootstrap your way out of anything. I'm saying your behavior and your decisions are the only thing you have any control over that affect your well being. And so they matter.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077073)

Ye just cuz being a student sounds cool and fun

a B would significantly shrink the colleges that would accept me

**** me as to what happens after I graduate

please... You don't need to go to an elite school to have fun at college. You clearly have a work ethic and are goal oriented. What you should be experiencing right now is called cognitive dissonance.

A drowning man could be on fire. Lucky bastard.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077078)

community college is real ****ing lame

you can get into a university with a B on your record.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2077076)

A drowning man could be on fire. Lucky bastard.

I'm sorry for whatever loss you've had and I wasn't intentionally trying to demean the position you're in.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077081)

I just think we fall into the trap of thinking poverty somewhere else is the result of a bad economy

but poverty in my back yard is poor decisions

reality is that scarcity causes poverty everywhere you go

it's like you're not even reading what I'm saying

I never said your decisions are going to determine everything and that circumstances don't exist. Just that decisions matter.

The difference between the first world and the third world is a matter of degree. There's a reason that they flee here. Cause it offers a better existence.