Liberals quote Steinbeck?

Maybe? I'm not sure what you're even referring to but what I said is generally true. Poor people who are economically conservative are basically put under the delusion it's their money they are being conservative with. They defintely aren't thinking funding welfare is a gender norm lol. If that were the case you would see some significant gender difference in the support of said policies within the party.

uh yeah... Those are the issues the Republicans rope them in on... We were talking about economics specifically and how they justify those values.

I'd call LARPy settler mentality "I don't need no help from the gubment cause I'm a ****in cowboy" to be more of an identity politics thing than a true economic position. And that's true for a lot of middle class conservatives as well even if they're not consciously thinking in such Americana terms.

yeah.. when you break down the demographics it should be obvious that you aren't winning over extra female conservatives by focusing on trans issues lol

I think that idea rubs you the wrong way since you grew up middle class and only recently joined the lower class by failing downward.

Nobody is saying the right doesn't capitalize on culture war ****.... That doesn't mean that's the best way to reach them dummy.

You can think that and I would likely stay silent

But when you say you think lower class libertarians think welfare = girly and that's why they don't support it, that's worth mocking.

You’re actually dead on here. I’ve seen a lot of it tbh. It’s sad but very true.

So you've found one libertarian and you're basing everything you say on this one guy ...?

More like rational, male logic divorced from girly emotional hand wringing demands that winners win and losers learn their lesson.