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Mindfulness · 09-04-2021, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

GL Key. I'm actually moving up to Tennessee in a few months for a fresh start of sorts too. Probably getting married by this time next year also.

congrats

jadis · 09-04-2021, 09:46 AM

I'll be the annoying person who points out that *technically* Afghanistan isn't in the Middle East...

But it's funny when people say "the Middle East" when they clearly just mean "the Gulf". Not saying you should go to Syria for a higher standard of living but just say "the Gulf" lol

adidasss · 09-04-2021, 10:08 AM

Yes but technically, the Gulf is also Iran and Iraq. And ain't nobody rushing to Saudi for the standard of living either. So mainly it's just the U.A.E., Qatar, Bahrain, maybe Kuwait and Oman (which has a very small part in the Gulf but is not really a Gulf country). I'm looking at the U.A.E., specifically. Which is in the Gulf, and the Middle east also.

The Batlord · 09-04-2021, 11:33 AM

So your global warming strategy is just to take it straight to the dome to take the edge off?

Trollheart · 09-04-2021, 01:41 PM

This surprises me. I mean, it's your decision, obviously, but you're happy to put a good standard of living above your acceptance as a gay man? You're okay to go to countries that may persecute, or at best barely tolerate you, as long as you can live in a fancy apartment and eat caviar pizza? You don't think it would be worth accepting a small/large drop in living standards in return for being treated as a human being?

~~jwb~~ · 09-04-2021, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis

I'll be the annoying person who points out that *technically* Afghanistan isn't in the Middle East...

But it's funny when people say "the Middle East" when they clearly just mean "the Gulf". Not saying you should go to Syria for a higher standard of living but just say "the Gulf" lol

I'll be the repressed self hating homophobe blah blah blah to point out... Why does this gay guy wanna live in all the places that are the worst places to be gay? Moving from Singapore to the middle east... Why not something more chill?? Unless you are some sorta masochist that likes being persecuted. In which case you should take a look at Uganda. If singapore is like popping an oxy in terms of homophobic persecution, Uganda is like black tar injected right in the main vein.

jadis · 09-04-2021, 04:47 PM

When was the last time you've been to Abu Dhabi? The UAE are desperate to establish themselves as some kind of liberal haven. Going there for a few year stint is by this point a cliché among Canadian yoga instructors, the single gayest demographic group anywhere in the world.

Not the entire ME is Saudi Arabia and ISIS. A close friend of mine, an extremely gay guy, taught French literature at the American University of Beirut for a few years and he was just fine. Had a great sex life by the sound of it.

Obviously fundamentalist Islam goes with horrific homophobia, but also the world is a bit more diverse than the picture of it you get by sitting in Texas and watching TV.

~~jwb~~ · 09-04-2021, 05:46 PM

**** dubai lol
https://youtu.be/tJuqe6sre2I

Can't embed cause the creator won't allow it but this video is a good watch

Title: Dubai is a parody of the 21st century.

jadis · 09-04-2021, 05:56 PM

Yeah it's hard not to despise the idea of this place. But personally I'm in the world's most fragile glasshouse when it comes to accepting jobs in places I despise, so can't judge anyone else on this account.

adidasss · 09-04-2021, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This surprises me. I mean, it's your decision, obviously, but you're happy to put a good standard of living above your acceptance as a gay man? You're okay to go to countries that may persecute, or at best barely tolerate you, as long as you can live in a fancy apartment and eat caviar pizza? You don't think it would be worth accepting a small/large drop in living standards in return for being treated as a human being?

Well, the reality of it is that the only adjustment I'm making in the Middle east (and Malaysia) is to be "discreet" and not touch or kiss my partner in public, which we don't do in Croatia either. Maybe you'll be surprised to know but a great deal of gay people still have to be careful even in Europe. I can get my head bashed in Croatia or Spain or Ireland for holding by boyfriend's hand so it's nothing strange, unfortunately. We'd still have to behave in a similar way in Europe, only we'd be poor. :/

So yeah, it's not ideal but life's a bitch and I'm definitely not the type to starve for my principles. I'll take their homophobic money thanks.

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Originally Posted by jadis

When was the last time you've been to Abu Dhabi? The UAE are desperate to establish themselves as some kind of liberal haven. Going there for a few year stint is by this point a cliché among Canadian yoga instructors, the single gayest demographic group anywhere in the world.

Not the entire ME is Saudi Arabia and ISIS. A close friend of mine, an extremely gay guy, taught French literature at the American University of Beirut for a few years and he was just fine. Had a great sex life by the sound of it.

Obviously fundamentalist Islam goes with horrific homophobia, but also the world is a bit more diverse than the picture of it you get by sitting in Texas and watching TV.

Most of these countries have a kind of don't ask don't tell policy. There are are plenty of local gay people (Lebanon especially has a thriving gay scene, although they are probably one of the most liberal arabic countries). Same in Malaysia, there is even a kind of gay club in the middle of KL. As long as you don't participate in any rowdy orgies, you are ok. Gay people exist and meet other gay people and have sex in Iran and Saudi also. People adjust to all kinds of circumstances and not everyone can simply move to the "liberal west".

09-04-2021, 10:08 AM	#75753 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Yes but technically, the Gulf is also Iran and Iraq. And ain't nobody rushing to Saudi for the standard of living either. So mainly it's just the U.A.E., Qatar, Bahrain, maybe Kuwait and Oman (which has a very small part in the Gulf but is not really a Gulf country). I'm looking at the U.A.E., specifically. Which is in the Gulf, and the Middle east also. __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	This surprises me. I mean, it's your decision, obviously, but you're happy to put a good standard of living above your acceptance as a gay man? You're okay to go to countries that may persecute, or at best barely tolerate you, as long as you can live in a fancy apartment and eat caviar pizza? You don't think it would be worth accepting a small/large drop in living standards in return for being treated as a human being? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-04-2021, 09:46 AM	#75752 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,232	I'll be the annoying person who points out that technically Afghanistan isn't in the Middle East... But it's funny when people say "the Middle East" when they clearly just mean "the Gulf". Not saying you should go to Syria for a higher standard of living but just say "the Gulf" lol

09-04-2021, 04:47 PM	#75757 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,232	When was the last time you've been to Abu Dhabi? The UAE are desperate to establish themselves as some kind of liberal haven. Going there for a few year stint is by this point a cliché among Canadian yoga instructors, the single gayest demographic group anywhere in the world. Not the entire ME is Saudi Arabia and ISIS. A close friend of mine, an extremely gay guy, taught French literature at the American University of Beirut for a few years and he was just fine. Had a great sex life by the sound of it. Obviously fundamentalist Islam goes with horrific homophobia, but also the world is a bit more diverse than the picture of it you get by sitting in Texas and watching TV.

09-04-2021, 05:46 PM	#75758 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	**** dubai lol https://youtu.be/tJuqe6sre2I Can't embed cause the creator won't allow it but this video is a good watch Title: Dubai is a parody of the 21st century.

09-04-2021, 05:56 PM	#75759 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,232	Yeah it's hard not to despise the idea of this place. But personally I'm in the world's most fragile glasshouse when it comes to accepting jobs in places I despise, so can't judge anyone else on this account.