Literally none of you are acting sane in this thread except maybe WWWP

I did enjoy writing that uncalled-for women's penis aversion phrase though

There are many trans activist talking points that are either lifted wholesale from gay lib and feminism or rely on an implied (and false) analogy with those movements. But this is so obviously canned and detached from reality that it takes a Tristan to actually try to wheel it out.

As I see it, attraction to MTFs usually means you are willing to settle for the vaguest simulacrum of femininity, anything remotely woman-like. In other words, it's a very advanced and likely untreatable stage of porn brain.

Not to say there aren't very special kinds of beauty to be found in gender bending (few would disagree that the trans actor from the Crying Game is beautiful, for instance) but those overlaps that can be found between that and the mainstream trans movement seem to me rather accidental.

ur turning into Andrew Tate word salad, trans women are women and you are ignoring the facts of the matter. The fact in question is that men that hate trans people are often also attracted to them in secret. Domination over people's lives goes hand in hand with the patriarchal grip on society. It is reality, and if you did even a bit of research off biased and bigoted parts of the internet, you would find that the reason trans women are in a similar oppressed states to cis women is because they are indeed women. Trans men don't get the same treatment, because it's ok in society to be a man, but you put on a dress and get called a pervert, when the bible was right abt this kind of thing. Pluck your eyes out, heathen. You are contributing to the death of real people just trying to live their lives. This issue that you should not even have an opinion on as a cis man is multiplied by the fact that trans people existing has no detriment to you living your life.

The funniest thing about all of this is that no one is even responding to each other or addressing points made/questions asked y’all are just talking out loud to yourselves and then patting yourself on the back

-Jadis makes obvious trolls
-Lucem knee-jerks Utah-woke takes to the trolling
-Tristan posts pull-my-string canned responses but with real emotion
-Key is here.

I mean, honey

Ily but I hope you realize you’re saying nothing.

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First of all,

Re who gets to speak on what... I am a citizen of a liberal democracy (Canada) and I get to speak on whatever I see fit. "Only X gets to speak about X" (aka the village idiot version of standpoint epistemology), is unsustainable in a democratic society.

As I will never tire to repeat, the political demands of the trans movement (medicalization of gender nonconforming minors and the abolition of sex as a legal category) affect all of us.

Re the "homophobes are secret homosexuals" trope. I have no idea how true it is, I don't think I've ever seen it confirmed in the wild (or outside the 1999 Academy Award winning picture American Beauty). I suspect there are many who aren't. Above all, it doesn't seem like a useful thing to say to someone with homophobic prejudice if you want to help rid them of it.

Copying and pasting it to MTFs seems like something from a bad standup routine. Though now that I think of it, it might as well be true about a certain type of guys. The only guys I know of who find MTFs attractive are porn-addicted losers along the lines of Batlord, and they are typically enthusiastically pro-trans. But it may well be that there's another type of porn-sick losers who also find MTFs attractive and hate them and themselves for it. This does sound completely plausible. So thank you for educating me, Tristan.

Wow, what the hell is this unmitigated disaster area of a mess?

spot on
now we can all pack up and go home

It's the brave new MB and it's beautiful