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**Frownland** · 05-02-2018, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Yeah I know, if you're clinically depressed, you can't just "happy thoughts" your way out of it.

I'm just saying that, to whatever small degree, it sometimes helps to avoid obsessively negative thoughts. Depends on exactly how and to what extent you're feeling down/prone to feeling down.

I can think of one pretty effective method to stop obsessing over negative thoughts.

Trollheart · 05-02-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

My condolences Mic. One of my friends told me recently one of our childhood friend hung himself and even though i haven't thought about the guy in years it still broke my heart. Apparently he had to care of his mom which was very demanding and didn't let him have his own life so after a big fight with her he hung himself.

It's always shocking to hear someone you knew and liked died even if you weren't super close with them.

This of course hits very close to home for me, and I can see how someone would be driven to take those sort of desperate and irrevocable measures in that situation, which is similar to mine. However, luckily for me, Karen and I get on great - despite me constantly telling her that she'll never know the time or place when I strike, asking her if she can smell arsenic in her food and smiling, and promising to come down one night with a hammer. She knows it's all in fun (or she thinks it is)

and helps get both of us over the sometimes hard fact that has to be faced that we are going to be together until one of us dies.

She has kept her sense of humour, and I mine (what do you mean, when did I get a sense of humour, you weren't told?) so the situation isn't as black as it could be. Caring for a parent has to be harder though: at least Karen and I are basically on the same age level (seven years between us) whereas caring for someone much older must be really hard. My condolences to you on the death of your friend. I'm just glad I always do my best to see the good in everything, even when I want to strangle her. I can't imagine leaving her on her own, so no matter how bad it gets, we get by and I continue not to die. Become something of an expert on it, after almost fifty-five years!

05-02-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I can think of one pretty effective method to stop obsessing over negative thoughts.

Yeah, well, you can also fireproof your house by burning it down to black ashes.

**Frownland** · 05-02-2018, 04:05 PM

What does that have to do with becoming an alcoholic?

Trollheart · 05-02-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What does that have to do with becoming an alcoholic?

You do some pretty crazy and dangerous things when drunk. Burning down the house is right up there. I know.

The Batlord · 05-02-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Yeah, well, you can also fireproof your house by burning it down to black ashes.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What does that have to do with becoming an alcoholic?

You really need to educate yourself as a smoker.

**Frownland** · 05-02-2018, 04:22 PM

When I click I see the same information

Good thing I don't smoke inside, not a fan of my own secondhand smoke.

OccultHawk · 05-02-2018, 04:29 PM

At my last job the death of a direct family member, no matter the cause was worth a week off to deal with it - 2 days unpenalized 3 more subtracted from personal days if you had them, unpaid if you didn’t. Direct family meant spouse, parents, and children. Grandparents and siblings did not count.

Time off for depression beyond sick and personal days is hard to come by. Doctors don’t want to give time off for depression because it can lead to a case toward disability and they have to be very sparing about that to avoid an audit.

A person with a health complication like cancer or heart disease will generally be given more time to heal than a person with depression or another mental health problem.

The most insidious thing about depression is as far as I know it’s the only illness that actually makes you not care if you fix it.

As for suicides, a spouse left with a complicated life might not get over it, parents of non-adult children who do it might not recover. Otherwise, people get over it surprisingly fast. Life goes on.

In my opinion, it is selfish to interfere with another person’s suicide. Why should they live just because their suicide makes you uncomfortable? It should be a simple medical procedure. It should be like an abortion or a vasectomy. I would find it comforting to know I could get it handled safely by professionals.

The central motif that you may get over your depression and glad you never did it is irrelevant. No successful suicide has ever regretted it.

OccultHawk · 05-02-2018, 04:35 PM

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Caring for a parent has to be harder though:

I don’t think so. Caring for an infirmed parent is an unavoidable natural order of things. A sibling is an especially ****ty hand.

Black Francis · 05-02-2018, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

You do some pretty crazy and dangerous things when drunk. Burning down the house is right up there. I know.

I might play Burning Down The House but i wouldn't actually do it.

I didn't know you were in a similar situation as the friend i had. Respect to ya for having a stronger resolve.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You really need to educate yourself as a smoker.

This is bullsht anti tobacco propaganda. You would it feel it burn when it reached the filter.

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