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Old 12-17-2018, 12:37 PM   #58511 (permalink)
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I just think there's gotta be some muddy waters in between. Some are clearly not gonna be fathers for real, some are perfect for it. Lots are... potentially good fathers or have potentially solid marriages going. I don't think you can necessarily tell which kind you've got going.
The thing is there’s no reason to have a kid in the first place. Having a kid makes the world a worse place. That’s just the start. So if you’re going to have a kid you better be able to justify it. The right conditions for raising a child are very rare. The good news is not having a child is the unassailable choice. You absolutely cannot **** up a child that doesn’t exist. And a child who doesn’t exist uses exactly NO natural resources, has NO carbon footprint, and doesn’t leave behind any pollution whatsoever.

The perfect kid is the one that was never born.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:44 PM   #58512 (permalink)
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Don't act like a nihilist after trying to push some goofy western tradition.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:45 PM   #58513 (permalink)
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No kids = no future.

Have your kids, but raise them to be environmentalists and kind. Then you'll make the world a better place.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:48 PM   #58514 (permalink)
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I don't think it's justifiable to have children but if no one's around to watch giraffes then **** giraffes. Just have a lottery where every millionth person gets to live and then work from there.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:50 PM   #58515 (permalink)
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I place humans above the rest of the planet's well being, so someone's got to push out babies.

Actually, what we need is to behead the worst capitalist scum, French Revolution style. Let's get going!
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:50 PM   #58516 (permalink)
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No kids = no future.
Come on now, he has a good amount of adult fans too.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:53 PM   #58517 (permalink)
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I’m not here to fit a mold
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:55 PM   #58518 (permalink)
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I think the morality of having children debate is redundant. All it boils down to is people trying to push their own personal wants on others.

I'm better for having children because I continue the human race or I'm better for not having children and not producing another "useless" resource vacuum.

Displaying your wants as anything other than a personal life choice just comes off as arrogant.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:55 PM   #58519 (permalink)
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Eww, no
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:59 PM   #58520 (permalink)
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Displaying your wants as anything other than a personal life choice just comes off as arrogant.
I think it's pretty arrogant to bring a sentient being into this world without their consent and then force them to go through life because they think it'd be nice to have a kid.
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