Originally Posted by elphenor

if the universe is predetermined then you can say there is no choice is what I'm getting at

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I’m not willing to entertain discussion with people who don’t understand cause and effect.

It’s true than theories like panpsychism or consciousness not even existing are far fetched. It’s a matter of grasping at straws to help contemplate a very bewildering question but there’s a prerequisite of things you have to understand before you’re ready to have those discussions. The indisputable impossibility of free will must be understood and accepted before you can move on.

It’s true that me entertaining the arguments of people who can’t grasp this caused a circular and stupid unproductive conversation.

I’ll discuss the nature of consciousness and self with Batlord but I’m not having these discussions with people who aren’t ready anymore.

Originally Posted by WWWP

hard determinism =/= a predetermined universe

anyway the only thing worth worshipping is the utter chaos and absurdity of it all

Originally Posted by Plankton

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

So basically you were cornered with information that you couldn't retort so you're doing all that you can to avoid admitting that you don't know.

Again, you argue like a Christian defending theism. Using the same exact 'logic'.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

It's hard to argue against vague, meaningless bull****.