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Lucem Ferre · 01-08-2021, 03:33 PM

Lol.

If I make a funny joke does that count?

~~jwb~~ · 01-08-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

He was right that lobsters have instincts? Genius.

That's what you got from the lobster analogy? Lol

Its funny how so many people make fun of the lobster **** without understanding the point he was making at all. There are intelligent ways to criticize it and I'm willing I admit JP is a hack but when you say dumb **** in response like what you just said or when other people point out that lobsters are very different from people.. it's just clear as day you missed the point completely and are just being unjustifiably smug.

Trollheart · 01-08-2021, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

Hey, Troll ol buddy... how can a guy, an everyday Joe like myself, get some action around here?

Trollheart's not here, man...

The Batlord · 01-08-2021, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

That's what you got from the lobster analogy? Lol

Its funny how so many people make fun of the lobster **** without understanding the point he was making at all. There are intelligent ways to criticize it and I'm willing I admit JP is a hack but when you say dumb **** in response like what you just said or when other people point out that lobsters are very different from people.. it's just clear as day you missed the point completely and are just being unjustifiably smug.

Or I was super ****ing drunk.

~~jwb~~ · 01-09-2021, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Or I was super ****ing drunk.

Maybe. Forgive me for not giving you the benefit of the doubt but what's the point behind the lobster analogy again?

The Batlord · 01-09-2021, 02:32 AM

It's been a minute but something about using hierarchies in lobsters to paint hierarchies in humans as unchangeable cause you can't teach sea bugs obviously?

~~jwb~~ · 01-09-2021, 02:57 AM

Closer than before but you're still in strawman territory.

Basically, he preaches against what he labels postmodernism but is actually a simplistic strawman of the left that wants to remove all hierarchy and tradition. The lobster example is to show that we share a basic structure with an organism that is removed from us evolutionarily by so many millions of years that any similarity should be striking.

The point is to reinforce the idea that hierarchy may go awry but the basic concept has a natural utility.

**Marie Monday** · 01-09-2021, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Closer than before but you're still in strawman territory.

Basically, he preaches against what he labels postmodernism but is actually a simplistic strawman of the left that wants to remove all hierarchy and tradition. The lobster example is to show that we share a basic structure with an organism that is removed from us evolutionarily by so many millions of years that any similarity should be striking.

The point is to reinforce the idea that hierarchy may go awry but the basic concept has a natural utility.

That sounds suspiciously like the good old 'it's (un)natural' argument to me.

I don't know much about this lobster **** so I'm just working with what you're saying, but the fact that hierarchy has a use in nature does not mean that 1. it's good 2. it still has a similar use for humans, considering we have strayed pretty far from our hunter gatherer origins.

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 04:40 AM

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The point is to reinforce the idea that hierarchy may go awry but the basic concept has a natural utility.

Emphasis because I think that was the main point.

The heavy message was about savage defeats in life impacting the amygdala and hippocampus. It was mostly a message of compassion. That segment of the lecture was about the going awry part of social hierarchy.

He was teaching psychology and not ethics but the obvious extension of what he was saying is that as a species we can use later evolutionary developments (the frontal cortex) to spare each other the irrevocable misery caused by continuing to kick a dog while he’s down.

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 04:50 AM

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our hunter gatherer origins

Not that it really matters that much but he’s talking about evolutionary developments that are occurred like 2 billion years before we became hunter gatherers.

01-09-2021, 02:57 AM	#73377 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Closer than before but you're still in strawman territory. Basically, he preaches against what he labels postmodernism but is actually a simplistic strawman of the left that wants to remove all hierarchy and tradition. The lobster example is to show that we share a basic structure with an organism that is removed from us evolutionarily by so many millions of years that any similarity should be striking. The point is to reinforce the idea that hierarchy may go awry but the basic concept has a natural utility.