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Cuthbert 12-15-2017 02:18 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqAkUXKT5Y

Trollheart 12-15-2017 02:40 PM

Fighting for white privilege

DwnWthVwls 12-15-2017 03:19 PM

I'm pro rights for everyone... you're the one that wants to attach a label to it to make it sound bad. Everyone has the right to fight against injustice.

Like I said, just because you got white people problems doesn't make them non issues.

Frownland 12-15-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1904764)
I'm pro rights for everyone... you're the one that wants to attach a label to it to make it sound bad. Everyone has the right to fight against injustice.

*looks at thread title*

DwnWthVwls 12-15-2017 03:32 PM

Not sure what youre getting at.

WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON!? You have to pick.

Frownland 12-15-2017 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1904775)
Not sure what youre getting at.

WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON!? You have to pick.

You said "you're the one that wants to attach a label to it to make it sound bad" to elph when she's far from the only one adding labels to advocacy.

I mean arguing that you want equal rights for everyone is essentially agreeing with elph so I guess I'm on everyone's side.

rubber soul 12-15-2017 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1904777)
You said "you're the one that wants to attach a label to it to make it sound bad" to elph when she's far from the only one adding labels to advocacy.

I mean arguing that you want equal rights for everyone is essentially agreeing with elph so I guess I'm on everyone's side.

Elph's a girl?

Frownland 12-15-2017 03:40 PM

lmfao no he isn't. Freudian slip I suppose. I thought that I had parted with the theory that elph is Sansa but I'm clearly lying to myself.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-15-2017 03:45 PM

if elph is sansa then sansa has an ugly ass man voice

Frownland 12-15-2017 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1904781)
if elph is sansa then sansa has an ugly ass man voice

A reminder to us all of the dangers of smoking.

DwnWthVwls 12-15-2017 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1904777)
You said "you're the one that wants to attach a label to it to make it sound bad" to elph when she's far from the only one adding labels to advocacy.

I mean arguing that you want equal rights for everyone is essentially agreeing with elph so I guess I'm on everyone's side.

No, he's arguing privileged people don't have a right to seek equality in areas where there isn't.. At least that's how i took it. Trying to make it sound bad if you say youre pro white or hetero rights.

The Batlord 12-15-2017 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1904781)
if elph is sansa then sansa has an ugly ass man voice

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Frownland 12-15-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1904783)
No, he's arguing privileged people don't have a right to seek equality in areas where there isn't.. At least that's how i took it. Trying to make it sound bad if you say youre pro white or hetero rights.

He's interpreting the trend of the majority's demands for rights being demands for oppression as the rule.

What you both seem to be saying is that being a compartmentalized advocate does less for equality than being for equal rights for everyone.

Frownland 12-15-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1904792)
an example of this was the circumcision issue

not even a men's rights issue as female circumcision is even worse

it's a human rights issue

compare this to for example women's suffrage which is where using "X group rights" would be applicable

Bad example tbh. I think that both should be addressed but I avoid lumping them together because one is so much more awful than the other that they lose their equivalency.

Frownland 12-18-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hurricanes (Post 1905825)
Y'all really be talking abt Me in the year of our L*rd 2017? Obsessed much!

Don't flatter yourself.

Trollheart 12-18-2017 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1905828)
Don't flatter yourself.

Ah, he's just full of wind.

DwnWthVwls 12-18-2017 08:12 PM

I knew you were crazy.

The Batlord 12-18-2017 09:07 PM

But now I can see your nuts.

Maajo 12-18-2017 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1904614)
Not it isn't.. wow. You sound like the people that argue people in America have no right to complain because people in Africa are worse off.

No, exactly the opposite - I think the world as a whole needs to be better, and I believe that it can be. People who believe that men are underpriviledged as a general rule are usually trying to defocus efforts on people who actually are disadvantaged. There's a hierarchy of priviledge, and it shouldn't but does exist and it causes problems that range from finding a job to not being harrassed by police or just people in general.

None of that really has anything to do with Africa, though I believe that Africa is mistreated by the rest of the world, and our corporations contribute to suffering simply by not sharing their advantages with them (or us, lulz) and actually have historically stolen a lot from them.

In a nutshell, you could say I believe that debts will always pile up, and there's a time when they got to be paid. Men are owed less of that debt, and the debt they are owed isn't because they're men.

Neapolitan 12-18-2017 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maajo (Post 1905958)

In a nutshell, you could say I believe that debts will always pile up, and there's a time when they got to be paid. Men are owed less of that debt, and the debt they are owed isn't because they're men.

I read recently that 18% of American companies have a CCC- credit score. It's not only individuals (regardless of being male/female) it just the way the world is, from the top down, countries, companies, people. You should really watch "The Way We Live Now" TV mini-series based on the novel by Anthony Trollope it explains everything.

Oriphiel 12-19-2017 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1905909)
When X-ray Spexs cried Oh Bondage, Up Yours!

it's the exact attitudes you have that they were referring to, the idea that women are naturally inclined to be less scientifically minded or less inclined to positions of leadership

Actually, Oh Bondage, Up Yours! was just making fun of punk fashion.

DwnWthVwls 12-19-2017 05:19 AM

if women need more representstion in STEM fields than its only fair we get more male nannies.

Maajo 12-19-2017 05:34 AM

Yeah, and more female butlers too.

Oriphiel 12-19-2017 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1905994)
you having a laff

Nah, I'm serious.


Cuthbert 12-20-2017 06:38 AM

Amazon removes circumcision training kits from sale

DwnWthVwls 12-20-2017 08:10 AM

If you believe that there is some degree of biologic difference which exists between men and women than what is the most appropriate way to determine if a particular statistic is a representation of that difference or the societal structure?

Frownland 12-20-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1906402)
If you believe that there is some degree of biologic difference which exists between men and women than what is the most appropriate way to determine if a particular statistic is a representation of that difference or the societal structure?

While it's becoming increasingly difficult because of globalism, it's typically done by comparing different cultures. An example is the Hofstede cultural dimensions studies that separate cultures by individualism & collectivism, uncertainty avoidance levels, power distance, and masculinity & femininity (task orientation versus person-orientation), which led to the conclusion that men and women only really have physiological differences. That said, I don't know how much research has been done to identify gender differences in the way that we respond to those societal pressures. It would be interesting if the traditional American understanding of gender roles was consistent across all masculine individualist cultures.

Cuthbert 02-05-2018 03:01 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tQR8paDDr8

Cassie Jaye just posted this.

Lucem Ferre 02-26-2018 12:59 AM

Reading on the science behind gender identities and the discoveries that have been found in the xx/xy chromosomes not always working the way we were taught they do, I've come to accept that I am totally wrong about my views on gender identity. My perception, as previously stated, has always been based on physical appendage but according to what has been recently discovered some people will be born with opposing genitalia than what the chromosomes intend. Science always evolves and disproves things we were always taught our whole lives and I guess it's hard to let go of that and admit you could be wrong. Also, interestingly, I read about a case where a person was born with a pussy that ended up developing into a dick as they got older. Like, they naturally switched genders. That's weird.

DwnWthVwls 02-26-2018 03:33 AM

So how do they explain gender fluidity and other gender identities which fall outside the binary system?

Lucem Ferre 02-26-2018 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1929543)
So how do they explain gender fluidity and other gender identities which fall outside the binary system?

Truth is, they don't. They obviously don't understand gender nearly a well as they thought they did. So they don't have an answer. But I'd also like to point to that story of somebody naturally switching genders. What would they be?

Frownland 02-26-2018 12:48 PM

*sex

Lucem Ferre 02-26-2018 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1929669)
*sex

Yeah.

MicShazam 02-26-2018 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1929669)
*sex

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/5b/2c/4...h-captions.jpg

Oriphiel 05-01-2019 05:25 AM

Oh ****, never knew that Goofle was a Silent Hill fan


The Batlord 05-01-2019 08:16 AM

lulzers

Frownland 05-01-2019 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 2054756)
Oh ****, never knew that Goofle was a Silent Hill fan


https://boxden.com/smilies/2umMvfa.png

Frownland 05-01-2019 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2054778)
what rights am i missing that women have>? https://boxden.com/smilies/hqWeIxv.png

The right to oppress women, duh.

The Batlord 05-01-2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2054779)
The right to oppress women, duh.

Bruh have you seen women talk about other women behind their back?

Lucem Ferre 05-02-2019 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2054775)

I'm glad I'm not the only one that likes Whang. Or penis.


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