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Cassie <3

Thanks for posting.

I don't really see how anyone can disagree with anything she's said there. I have a lot of respect for her and the fact she was willing to have an open mind, and question her own beliefs.

And lol at that suicide point she made, she is correct and it (the counter to it) has actually been posted on this thread already.

Not a MRA issue exactly, but one that gets at the toxic masculinity elements of some of the discussions in this thread. I'm fortunately in a relationship at the moment, but I've had certainly experience long bouts of 'touch isolation' - this article puts into words so many of the nebulous things I felt during those times:

How a Lack of Touch is Destroying Men

If you think there's such a thing as "toxic masculinity" could you kindly f*ck off?

Cheers.

Which YouTube video did you hear about toxic masculinity from my man?

I wouldn't wait for an answer Frown, he's barely around these days.

Question: have the rabid tumblrgrls of the modern world made toxic feminity a reality?

Normal people don't go on about it of course. Most people understand the valuable contribution both sexes make to society.

Question: do normal people exist or are they just used as a vague form of bandwagon argument?

Question: Why is the disparity of criminal sentencing between men and women larger than the gap between blacks and whites?

Could be an extension of juries being kinder to attractive people.

I just clocked that you said "femininity" in that post. Was obviously not serious. Anyone who thinks either gender has some kind of inherent "toxic" trait are quite prejudice.

Who said inherent? Toxic masculinity is the product of societal reinforcement of negative traits that females couldn't get away with. Like I said: which YouTube video did you hear about toxic masculinity from? Because it really sounds like you don't know about the basics of the concept and getting your politics from reactionary videos will do that.

There's no such thing as toxic masculinity dude. Stop being a massive cunt.

It'd be a good one if it didn't sound so genuine.

Ahh, that's why it's called "Toxic Masculinity". Makes sense now you said that...

Thrash is a myth perpetuated by the corporatist oligarchs.

Yep, I was confused. It's obvious that the phrase doesn't refer to masculinity inherently, hence why it uses the term masculinity. It would be called something else if it was prejudiced. Thanks for clearing it up.

I already cleared it up for you mate. It's literally an abstract concept but it's also pretty straightforward.

I'm kind of leaving you to one side because it's pointless to discuss this stuff with somebody who has such a profound lack of common decency and compassion.

Decency is clearly for basic hoes and I'm a complex ho.

^ This person gets it.

I think there can be a "toxic" masculine cultural, just like there can be a "toxic" feminine culture. What does that mean? TOXIC means that it kills. Es no bueno. Every culture has parts that are not so go. I would say that the "toxic masculine culture" would be any male with traits that are unfavorable, that would lead to the reduction of the population of males or would cast males in a bad light. The same goes for "toxic feminine culture," making it any female with traits that are unfavorable, that would lead to the reduction of the population of females or would cast females in a bad light.

Is the golden rule really so hard to follow? Treat others as you wish to be treated?

I understand why you hate the term, Goofle, but the concept is really easy to understand and it does exist. If anything if you really want to stand for men's rights you'd want to get rid of toxic masculinity. Like for one, the idea that men aren't supposed to express their emotions. Men commit suicide at a significantly higher rate than women and more often than women most men feel like they don't have somebody to confide in. This culture shoves the idea that men are supposed to hide their pain and sorrows deep down and 'man up' and just move on. With out properly expressing our emotions it pushes people into a state of lonely despondency. Because it's not masculine to talk about your feelings according to society. That's toxic. It's toxic masculinity. It's not having a penis that makes you toxic, it's forcing harmful behavior onto somebody because they have a penis. And it's not a problem caused by men, girls will shove these ignorant ideas on us as well, it's a problem caused by society. If you really don't get the concept with that example maybe you're just stupid.

Edit: And ignore elphenor, he doesn't really give a ****, he just likes looking like it. Always notice how he sits back and leans on petty insults while the real thinkers are actually discussing it. And he doesn't have a cat face.

Lucem what's your sig about?

I don't remember exactly, just that I was actually defending the person who said it rather than attacking and he just lashed out on me because he doesn't like me. I don't know. I thought it was a funny comment for what ever reason. People on that forum have said some fairly ****ed up **** to me. It's usually sparked over something petty too. One thing that was really enjoyable was just calling people haters. Just that one simple phrase has set soooo many of those juggalos off.

Oh so not on MB then?

Use the quote button.

Ten bucks says it was Faygoluvers.

Then I apologize for my assumptions and redact my harsh words.

Did the mention of juggalos give it away? You're such a super brilliant detective aren't you? Here's a golden star!

http://www.sepeb.com/gold-star/gold-star-004.jpg

Fake news.

A simple google search would show you "toxic masculinity" and "man" are not interchangeable. Ideas such that men must always want sex, that you're not a real man if you haven't been in a fight, that men can't enjoy art or love or "softer" things without being a homosexual, etc. This what we mean.

Are there idiots who extrapolate those characteristics as being inherent to men? Yes. ARE THEY IDIOTS? ALSO YES.

The article I posted was arguing against the social convention that touch from and among men must inherently sexualized. The world would be better for everyone if platonic touch for men became a social norm. You should be in favor of this. I'd step away from the Stephen Molyneaux videos for a bit and examine the rational, non-hysterical social and gender arguments out there. At the very least, you'd stop with the kneejerk reactions to terms that you a) don't understand and b) actually support your broader aims.

Lucem and Frownland nailed it, thanks dudes.

edit: always loved Lucem's sig. Delightfully dark.

In regards to the topic - because we got our rights, just like how white people in America already got theirs. Saying "we demand more rights" is basically saying you miss being as oppressive as you were 70, 80, 90 years ago when women and colored people were even bigger minorities and even had separate rights. In less spoken terms, women and minorities still do have separate rights, so that's why. In a nutshell, it's ludicrous.

Not it isn't.. wow. You sound like the people that argue people in America have no right to complain because people in Africa are worse off.

Yeah, we know.. White males are the most privileged people in the world, therefore until everyone has equalk rights as them they have no right to complain about injustice.