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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1893098)

I'm not surprised. He was on Howard Stern for cocktober and they had some porn Stars on with apparently huge dicks. Takei just reached and grabbed one of them unprompted. Stern had to tell him no and get off him.

Takei is a perv frankly.

When Howard Stern has to ask you to stop being creepy and perverted, you know you have a problem.

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1893099)

When Howard Stern has to ask you to stop being creepy and perverted, you know you have a problem.

Eh. Stern gets after people and tells them to quit being perverted all the time. Stern just pretends to be a freak til things actually get freaky than he's a pussy.

https://i.imgur.com/IRFN32a.jpg
"Some people are kind of skittish, or maybe, um, uh, afraid, and you're trying to persuade."

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1893086)

I kind of just want to turn my computer off for 8 months until all the facts are sorted out. The speculation and witch hunting is just pissing me off. I'd rather just realize 5 years from now "Hey, we haven't heard from Johnny Knoxville for a while, wonder what happened? I'll google it. Oh dear."

Obviously those people who have harmed others should face consequences and/or atone for it, but I know for a fact that SOME of these allegations will be lies, and the current climate seems to be "guilty until proven innocent".

This opinion might offend some of our more socially-conscious members, but there is a difference to me between a crime that someone committed 30 years ago and someone who is currently committing crimes. I know I've done **** I regretted when I was a young, dumb idiot, and the social climate has changed quite a bit in that time. In the case of crimes committed several decades ago, society as a whole is responsible along with the transgressor.

And honestly, if we're going on a witch hunt for every man who has ever ogled a person when they didn't request it, we're going to have to imprison close to every male. For me, there's a difference between assaulting someone and being a jerk by making unwanted comments, and while neither is acceptable, I don't think it makes sense to respond to them with the same punishment. E.g., I'm not defending Louis CK and I'm not denying that he's a creep, but his actions are being treated as equal to the alleged actions of Kevin Spacey, and to make the whole thing even more frustrating, all of this is occurring before a proper investigation and trial.

The public has decided their fate in the place of the law, and while these two individuals may very well be guilty as sin, there WILL be accusers who WILL lie about the facts in the future. Because people ****ing suck and they lie about **** and they are vindictive and petty and they love attention. I ain't saying that the majority of accusations will be false, and I think it's great that people are finally feeling safe to come forward, BUT we CANNOT keep crucifying people BEFORE the facts have been determined by the appropriate forces.

I like this post.

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1893193)

I like this post.

I do too. I firmly believe in "innocent until proven guilty". Without it we move backwards where "frontier justice" was commonly carried out. That's a scary place to live in. These men are either guilty or innocent. You either raped/assaulted somebody or you didn't. There really isn't a gray area here. I feel in these cases it's extremely important that you're 100% sure these men did what they're being accused of before you kill their careers and basically end their lives. If they did it, f*ck em. If they didn't, they don't deserve the result of these accusations. Nobody does.

I will say that some of these cases are pretty legit. I believe the Harvey Weinstein accusations without a trial because there are just so many of them and most have been corroborated.

Louis CK admitted it. So there's that. As did Kevin Spacey.

The Richard Dreyfuss one? Put your f*cking pitchforks down for a minute.

Like it or not (and I don't) we're living in the age of Trial by Internet. There's no way to stop it. People (who have not the full details nor, usually, a clue) will make up their minds depending on their own stance/bias/how bored they are, and their decision will influence all their friends, followers, family. It will snowball like a huge ****ing avalanche of ****, and the truth will be buried a long way beneath as the ball rolls on, destroying lives, careers and reputations in the process.

Trials? Innocent until proven guilty? Welcome to the 21st century, people.

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1893246)

I will say that some of these cases are pretty legit. I believe the Harvey Weinstein accusations without a trial because there are just so many of them and most have been corroborated.

Louis CK admitted it. So there's that. As did Kevin Spacey.

The Richard Dreyfuss one? Put your f*cking pitchforks down for a minute.

I mean, justice also means not reading-between-the-lines. Unless there was an update, strictly speaking, Spacey didn't admit anything. He just said "sounds like something I might have done in the 80s, but I don't remember it". Not technically an admission of guilt, although it ain't comforting.

Louis CK has demonstrated a degree of insight into his behaviour that I am willing to consider when it comes to publicly skewering him.

But now the floodgates are opening and I'm just as scared of the lies as I am of the truth. I have met far too many people in my real life who regularly lie to get attention or sympathy to take every accusation at face value, as is being done by the public and the companies associated with these individuals.

pretty much nailed it imo. i think it’s in part attributed to the hero worship of celebrities in the united states. while some of these may of been one offs, i think a lot of these repeat offenders are obviously struggling some serious personal issues or just oblivious to the power that they possess in their role.

Louis CK touched on it in his statement actually. the idea that he felt because the women consented it was okay, regardless of the fact that these women were often much younger and maybe just scared to say no to someone of CK’s standing. with great power comes great responsibility, or whatever.

there is certainly a grey area that says, while this might not be illegal, it damn sure still isn’t right.

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the idea that he felt because the women consented it was okay

Yeah. What an *******.

For now on I think every sexual interaction should have to be approved by an online consensus.

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there is certainly a grey area that says, while this might not be illegal, it damn sure still isn’t right.

Actually it’s black and white.

Are both parties adults?
Do both parties consent?

The rest is puritanical bull****.