The amount of British flag **** and other British nonsense you post is about (thought not quite) on the level of Americans who support Toby Keith with his American flag guitar and talking about our military putting a boot up your ass. You're the kind of guy who if England went to war you'd support it without having to know who you were fighting or why. Maybe you didn't support the Iraq War but you'd have to be pretty ****ing stupid to support an American imperialist war when you weren't an American so that really doesn't count.

England isn't Britain.

Also you are wrong.

You can go with the stream and agree with that use of the word or you can argue against it and be sort of right but also just talk past most people as a result.

I think you're more about England than you are about Britain.

Based on what?

White privilege is a collection of factors and statistics that prove that the American system is more likely to put white people in power rather than other minorities.

A great point that backs it up is the fact that the worst places in America with the most poverty, the least resources and the most violence are primarily black areas with a history of being refused resources over racial discrimination from a time when black people were segregated into these communities away from white people.

Another great point is that minorities are given harsher sentences than white people for the same crimes. To go along with that is the fact that some police stations are literally telling their officers to target minorities over whites to hit quota.

Because of our history of racism white people are more likely to have connections and opportunities from being born in a family that built connections, businesses and opportunities over time while a lot of minorities don't have those some connections because our racist history literally prevented them from doing it. A great example is the fact that there are more white legacy students in college (these are students that were accepted into universities because they are related to alumni of those colleges) than there are black people in college as a whole.

There is also a perceptional bias assuming that minorities are criminals or gang members causing them to be harassed or blamed or stalked in stores. White people in America almost never have to worry about being treated unfairly in stores, restaurants, places of employment, etc. because of their race.

Edit: The first American president that wasn't white was accused of not being an actual citizen and was harassed into providing a birth certificate because of the color of his skin. Even the most powerful person in America is not exempt from the harassment, prejudice and assumptions that white people in this country never have to face. If that isn't a sign of white privilege, I don't know what is.

Oh man. You're just like...wrong though.

Thank you because that's a lot of effort to put in for people who don't care, but don't forget about the history of housing discrimination where blacks were prevented from owning homes in white neighborhoods by unofficial but very real segregation. The prevention of blacks from the kind of wealth afforded by home ownership is important. Not to mention that the ownership opportunities given to them in low income areas had unfair pricing that basically forced them to forgo maintaining their property just to pay their mortgages so that their property values plummeted.

It's a stupid term.. it implies that white people as a whole have a distinct advantage and all the arguments use specific examples. There is nothing inherently advantageous about being white skinned. It is entirely dependent on where you live. So why not be clear and discuss how white americans have privileges over other minority americans instead of using some lame race baiting generalization? That's really what you mean when you use the term.

I didn't know that and I learned something today.

But for what ever reason majority of the places where the majority isn't white and whites face racial discrimination typically happen to be 3rd world countries. That's probably just a coincidence, though.

If you want to speak generally it's majority privilege + tribalism with whole lot of history and nuance.. it's not white privilege.

Then why are most first world nations on the planet white when majority of the global population isn't white?

Because they dominated the battlefields historically? Where does white privilege exist where whites are the minority?

There is a difference between someone with money being able to have privilege over the poor and a societal structure where if your white you have a better chance of succeeding within it.

It's not inherent. The context of whitey being the majority is what makes it a reality :).

Why are you bothering to make the distinction? You recognize the reality of the situation, yes? You recognize that whites in America have real advantages over minorities so why do you care about the term "white privilege"? We're not talking about China, we're talking about at the very least America where the term "white privilege" is important and not using it would ignore the racial aspect. It's not like we're talking simply about class, we're talking about race and its relation to class.

Because the term begs for clarity when discussing it with non-Americans.. why are you bothered that your reality is different from Europeans?

But white privilege is not about being biologically predisposed to succeed, it's about being culturally predisposed to succeed based on skin color. And yes, it's very regional which is why I was careful enough to speak only on America.

But on a global scale you can think of the fact that most first world nations are predominately white despite the fact majority of the population isn't. Pointing out the history that caused white privilege doesn't debunk white privilege.

And can you name a place on the globe where white people face as many disadvantages because of their race?

Yes I can. Everywhere that white people are not the majority.

You think the son or daughter of some random white family in Mexico has some societal advantage over all the Mexicans? Like they're going to higher them because they are white?

I'd imagine the same idea would apply in different forms to Europeans. I'd need more information to talk about their reality but it's not a mentality that's specific to Americans, it's specific to every race in every country on Earth. I imagine there's a version of White Privilege that applies to China but it would probably be called Han Privilege. And why fight the terminology when the idea is what is important, especially when the idea itself is being fought simply on the basis of terminology by whites? I don't see you fighting for the idea but also talking about terminology, I see you simply talking about the terminology. This is why it is important to specify "White", because the race in question needs to be confronted.

You don't know much about Mexico do you

Do you think they face disadvantages? Like they won't hire them because they are white?

I think a lot of this is based on an assumption, so if you can I would like you to provide a source of information that supports the idea that whites face as much discrimination.

That's fine. I really don't know enough about the culture, but youre probably right. That doesn't really address my point though.

I didn't say they face disadvantages I'm not in a position to make that claim, but I can say with some level of confidence they don't have advantages over the natives just because they are white. I can do some research on stats and get back to you, but I think youre making a pretty foolish argument and being deliberately dense.

Okay, fine.. Uganda than, I mean seriously, being nitpicky to avoid addressing the bigger picture of the argument is pretty boring. Or perhaps Iraq? or Cuba? Take your pick.

So you don't think whites not facing the same discrimination that they put onto other races where they are the majority when they are a minority is not a form of privilege in it's self?

Oh, the irony.

I mentioned this in my post by I guess I got ninja'd. Preference for the local majority is going to exist everywhere, but we're crackers in the West and we have no influence on the Middle East or Far East or Africa, so we talk about our own area that we can influence in terms we can understand, hence, White Privilege. It is important to use "White" with privilege because we are talking about an area of the world where whites have privilege.

^Yeah, that's fine until you start having a discussion with people not from the US. The term white privilege in a global discussion or forum with people from quite a few different places in the world is pretty silly.

Yeah I thought I made it clear that I'm not denying the idea.. It's the terminology I don't like, which is all I've said.

No. What the hell kind of argument is that.. If I move from a bad neighborhood to one where everyone is chill as **** and I don't even need to lock my doors does that mean I have some sort of privilege in the new happy place? or are the people just better human beings?

We're not talking to Chinese people. We're talking to white or Western people. If you can point out a Chinese or Ugandan person in this discussion to me then we can have words and those words will be "Well we're really not talking to you, but we can figure out a phrase in a moment."

But the fact that I carefully made a point to clarify "in america" with my points over rides your nit picking argument on the terminology.

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and I didn't address you. I quoted and responded to Batlord.

By definition that is a privilege.

I understand it's not specific, but if we just called it "majority privilege" nobody would care. For better or worse "white privilege" has people talking and it's because the race with privilege is being called out and it's accomplishing things. The people open to the phrase are talking, the people offended are talking, and in general the basic idea is entering the public consciousness in a way that it wouldn't if it were more general. I think this will accomplish far more in the long run than using some boring phrase nobody in society will ever actually care or even hear about.

You really, really, really want to be black, don't you? I bet you think of yourself as a black man trapped inside a white man's skin.
All I can say is that when people become homeless here because the bank repossesses their house when they can't keep up the mortgage payments, being white doesn't turn out to be any sort of an advantage. Just as many white people as other races are homeless tonight in Dublin, probably more so.
I'd have to point out South Africa during Apartheid as an example? At least, a past one.

Yup, just shows how much progress we still have to make when we can't talk about the reality of problems without using race baiting language and dramatic terms.

^Being nitpicky to avoid addressing the bigger picture of the argument is pretty boring.

But it's also a culture specific concept. You could call it American White Privilege and I'd say good on you, but it's not called that and we just have to live with it and argue the idea in the hope that people who wouldn't believe in it no matter what you called it would get it through their skulls. It's still a concept with overlap no matter where you live in Western Society given our shared history. It's one of those, "just deal with it" things.