Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1982018)

WWWP was our surrogate. We tag teamed her so we wouldn't know whose it was.

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982023)

Do...do you know how a surrogate works?

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1981979)

He disagrees with the term because he thinks white privilege refers to a tribal majority bias which also causes classism when it's just a symptom of it. But white privilege, while it definitely has strong ties with classism and is an over all symptom of the flaws of our current state of capitalism, is not referring to classism, it's specifically referring to the biases America has based on race. Which leans towards whites. Which goes beyond classism. So renaming an issue of a certain race having a bias in their favor to something that tries to obscure the idea it's based on race is dishonest.

It's like trying to rename 'white supremacists' 'racial supremacists' because using the word 'white' makes him uncomfortable. Hell, maybe he does think the phrase 'white supremacist' is race baiting too. I don't know.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1982031)

Good thing you and elph know better than I do about what triggers me or makes me uncomfortable.

Also, that example.. Idk if I've been understanding the usage for years but they are called white supremacists because they believe white people are the supreme race, not because they are white people.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1982037)

Okay, who should we pin it on?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1982046)

Nobody, people have to stop using it as an excuse is what needs to happen.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1982052)

An excuse for what? I don't know what youre on about. I was just responding to Lucem assuming I might be offended by the term white supremacist.

Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 1982048)

Thread has been interesting.

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982059)

Not really.

Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 1981919)

The original idea.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1981923)

Fiddly? That's a word?

Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1982008)

Batlord and I had a baby.

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982023)

Do...do you know how a surrogate works?

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982023)

Do...do you know how a surrogate works?

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1982164)

Yeah, they're those women who fought for women's rights in the 19th century, aren't they?

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1982034)

Yeah, and?

Whatever race goes before supremacist doesn't describe the people who believe it, it describes the belief. You can have a white person who is a black supremacist, no?

Originally Posted by Akai (Post 1982283)

If white privilege truly existed in the black and white way most people describe it then a white man with a criminal record would still have an easier time getting a job over a black man with no criminal record.

That isn't the case though.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1982279)

If you are a white person in a society that tends to give an advantage to white people, then yeah, whiteness is a privilege. A privilege that we call 'white privilege'.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1982396)

That's cool until you realize that whiteness isn't the only factor that contributes to the advantages white people have in this country. When people use the term "white privilege" it refers to a lot of things that go beyond race, which is why white privilege will still exist if racism magically vanished. Making the conversation and terminology about race detracts from the larger problem. I agreed with Batlord that it does a good job of getting people talking and bringing up the surrounding issues, but it's still a racebaitey term.

Lemme ask you something: Do you think a minority child adopted by a white family has access to white privilege?

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982406)

It's weird to see only white people argue about white privilege

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982406)

It's weird to see only white people argue about white privilege

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982410)

At MB exclusively. Ffs.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1982416)

There are no current black posters on MB afaik. Ask DJ or Soulflower if they believe in white privilege and I imagine they wouldn't tell you it was all in our minds.

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1982417)

And I'm talking about the current argument going on here which as far as I can tell, SF and DJ aren't here. Jesus do I have to spell my posts out for you every time.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1982404)

Yes, but it's still an issue that is very tied to race in a way and with issues that are different from the privilege of the middle/upper classes over the lower classes or other facets of the larger problem so it's still important to specify the racial aspect. It's race baity largely because people in general get defensive when their position in society that they've seen as normal for their whole life is called into question, not because pointing out the racial issue in the terminoloby is inherently provocative.

It's like Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1982419)

Frown is right, you're illiterate. Is it strange to see only white people talking about EVERYTHING on this forum when there's only white people here? What the **** are you even on about?