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Old 08-29-2017, 02:13 PM   #20091 (permalink)
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welllllll ... considering a lot of Christians were probably conflicted as to whether to watch it or not - would it be a sin, watching Christ get tortured, or was it their Christian duty to understand what He suffered for them? - I think the Church really dodged coming out either in favour of or against the movie, and I think Christians were expecting a decision from el Papa. I wasn't, but I was mildly interested in how they would react, and to just shrug was, to me, a total cop-out. Not that I'm surprised, as I say.
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Anyway, true Christians would never watch the film because movies were not around during Jesus' time and are inherently evil. Those who are conflicted about whether or not the content matters should just keep on sinning.
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Keitel is a bit useless.
One of the worst cases of miscasting ever.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:35 PM   #20094 (permalink)
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Apocalypto was very disappointing to me. There was so much opportunity to show something no movie (that I know of) has ever done before. I wanted to see this Incan society and how it works. Religious blooshed and societal structure, culture, etc. We get a few minutes of tease with a pretty fascinating pyramid set, then it becomes a generic chase movie set in the jungle that could easily have been transplanted to the streets of New York. Waste of an interesting setting.
I liked Apocalypto a lot, but I really wish it had ended differently.
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One of the things I liked about it was that it was a historical Native American story that for once wasn't focused on defining them in relation to Europeans. Until the those boats showed up. I had really been hoping Gibson wasn't going to go there and he went there.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:31 AM   #20095 (permalink)
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I liked Apocalypto a lot, but I really wish it had ended differently.
Spoiler for spoiler:
One of the things I liked about it was that it was a historical Native American story that for once wasn't focused on defining them in relation to Europeans. Until the those boats showed up. I had really been hoping Gibson wasn't going to go there and he went there.
I agree with that too. It could have gone down a few different small roads, but it chose to just go back to the main road. Trying to write this in a spoiler free manner
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Old 08-30-2017, 05:17 AM   #20096 (permalink)
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Willem Dafoe and Harvey Keitel? I'll get right on that!

And it's even by Scorsese. Incredible that I've never heard of it.
Let me know what you think of it when you get around to it. And what you thought of the ending. No spoilers here.
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Let me know what you think of it when you get around to it. And what you thought of the ending. No spoilers here.
I'll try and do that
First step is to see if they have it downtown in my favorite used movies/music/books store.
I'm trying to make a list of other movies to look for too. I can never remember what I actually want to see when I'm standing down there.
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I'll try and do that
First step is to see if they have it downtown in my favorite used movies/music/books store.
I'm trying to make a list of other movies to look for too. I can never remember what I actually want to see when I'm standing down there.
Two sources if you just want to buy it cheap

http://video.megaboon.com/movie/4769...tion_of_christ
https://www.movieberry.com/the_last_...ion_of_christ/
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Thanks for the help, but I got lucky and found it all new for cheap in the store I mentioned! I just finished watching it fifteen minutes ago.

I'll try to say something coherent about it, but a lot of thoughts and feelings were running through me as I watched it.

After it was over, I thought about how there was a constant feeling of uncertainty underpinning the entire movie. Is he really the Messiah? Does he believe it himself? Does his followers? What about Judas? Is that Satan or not? Did he really give up God, as he kept questioning his mission or how to carry it out, throughout most of the movie. It wasn't until the very last couple minutes I felt sure about what would really happen.

Spoiler for Spoiler territory::
I suspected that the Guardian Angel would be Lucifer, but I also repeatedly started believing that the movie really would take a different take on the Jesus myth and have God be merciful to him. When Jerusalem was burning and the sky was blood red as Jesus lay dying, I finally felt sure that Jesus being allowed to live a full life as a man was supposed to be the work of Satan.
When Judas tells Jesus that the girl is not the Guardian Angel and Jesus' facial expression changes to doubt and fear, the sound of screams from the citizens being slaughtered by the Romans outside rises while a blood read sky is visible through the half open door. Pretty chilling symbolism for the grave mistake that Jesus just realizes he's made. He then wakes up at the cross and accepts his plight. Don't know whether his life as a common man was a sort of dream vision or whether God rewinded time and let Jesus do his plight, now that his heart was free of doubt.
I guess that, thematically speaking, it doesn't even matter.

A very interestingly different take on Jesus; casting him as a faulty man with a heart full of doubt, which I guess is very fitting when he's supposed to be both the son of God, but also just a man. Judas was cast not as a betrayer, but as the one who believed in Jesus the most and was prepared to do anything for him, even if it went against everything he held in his heart. A pretty damn interesting way to treat both characters.


Out of spoiler territory again: When the credits revealed that Peter Gabriel did the soundtrack, I had just been thinking how massively inappropriate for the tone of the movie the music had felt at times - as it also did at the very end.

I was also surprised to see David Bowie as a Roman official!

Long story short, I really liked the movie a lot. I did get a little impatient somewhere in the middle of the movie when the uncertainties were really piling up on me, but that faded away eventually and I found the movie to be pretty fascinating. I think this one will get better with repeat viewings over the years.

This movie against Mel Gibson's take on Jesus: Not even a contest.

EDIT: I almost forgot. That loud noise and the weird colors seconds before the credits roll... I have no idea what that was about. Easily the weirdest thing about the movie.
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Thanks for the help, but I got lucky and found it all new for cheap in the store I mentioned! I just finished watching it fifteen minutes ago.

I'll try to say something coherent about it, but a lot of thoughts and feelings were running through me as I watched it.

After it was over, I thought about how there was a constant feeling of uncertainty underpinning the entire movie. Is he really the Messiah? Does he believe it himself? Does his followers? What about Judas? Is that Satan or not? Did he really give up God, as he kept questioning his mission or how to carry it out, throughout most of the movie. It wasn't until the very last couple minutes I felt sure about what would really happen.

Spoiler for Spoiler territory::
I suspected that the Guardian Angel would be Lucifer, but I also repeatedly started believing that the movie really would take a different take on the Jesus myth and have God be merciful to him. When Jerusalem was burning and the sky was blood red as Jesus lay dying, I finally felt sure that Jesus being allowed to live a full life as a man was supposed to be the work of Satan.
When Judas tells Jesus that the girl is not the Guardian Angel and Jesus' facial expression changes to doubt and fear, the sound of screams from the citizens being slaughtered by the Romans outside rises while a blood read sky is visible through the half open door. Pretty chilling symbolism for the grave mistake that Jesus just realizes he's made. He then wakes up at the cross and accepts his plight. Don't know whether his life as a common man was a sort of dream vision or whether God rewinded time and let Jesus do his plight, now that his heart was free of doubt.
I guess that, thematically speaking, it doesn't even matter.

A very interestingly different take on Jesus; casting him as a faulty man with a heart full of doubt, which I guess is very fitting when he's supposed to be both the son of God, but also just a man. Judas was cast not as a betrayer, but as the one who believed in Jesus the most and was prepared to do anything for him, even if it went against everything he held in his heart. A pretty damn interesting way to treat both characters.


Out of spoiler territory again: When the credits revealed that Peter Gabriel did the soundtrack, I had just been thinking how massively inappropriate for the tone of the movie the music had felt at times - as it also did at the very end.

I was also surprised to see David Bowie as a Roman official!

Long story short, I really liked the movie a lot. I did get a little impatient somewhere in the middle of the movie when the uncertainties were really piling up on me, but that faded away eventually and I found the movie to be pretty fascinating. I think this one will get better with repeat viewings over the years.

This movie against Mel Gibson's take on Jesus: Not even a contest.

EDIT: I almost forgot. That loud noise and the weird colors seconds before the credits roll... I have no idea what that was about. Easily the weirdest thing about the movie.
Yes, Bowie as Pilate was weird. The cultured London accent seemed totally out of place in Jerusalem, didn't it? I don't know what that was at the end either, unless it was meant to represent his death and then the ascension of his soul? Oddly, I looked at it completely differently:
Spoiler for Jesus H Christ!:
he definitely WAS Jesus, but he suffered, and eventually succumbed to, through mostly a combination of his doubts, his "hatred" of God, who plagued him with pain and visions, as he said at the beginning, and of course the intervention of Satan, who was trying to destroy God's attempt to save the world, his own fears and desires as a man. In the end, he realises he has been put here for a reason, even if he doesn't agree with or believe in that reason. He sees what the consequences of flaking out will be, and he bows to God's will. To me, everything that happens from the point that the "angel" floats up to him and he comes down off the cross is in his mind - God allowing him the ultimate free will, the chance to see what will happen if he decides to disobey and tries to change things.


Personally, I love the soundtrack and I have it. I think it really suited the mood and tone of the movie, but you're entitled to your opinion of course. Definitely my favourite movie about Jesus, and I've seen a few.
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