Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2069101)

I wouldn't call it a great discography but I'd definitely call it a good one. They just don't have nearly the high points of ICP. :p:

Hey, you wanna do a co-review of Hell's Pit or something? We're the only people on this site who care about any of this **** and I feel like we need to have one journal entry between us as a middle finger to all the plebes.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2069102)

I thought about reviewing a few juggalo albums as a journal like a retrospective look on my childhood favorites. Especially because I think it'd be interesting to explore the Marxist rhetoric of Carnival of Carnage. So I'd be open to it.

Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2069104)

I think looking at it in terms of Marxist rhetoric is kind of overblown tbh. Maybe ICP are more aware of Marxism than I know but everything I've seen from them shows that they simply express the views of the working class more starkly and accurately than most any other working class artist I can think of. They're honestly the working class as I've known them writ large and the disdain people have for them is the disdain for the working class that liberals honestly feel but targeted at a group that is safe to mock.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2069105)

No, they're ****ing idiots. But the whole concept of the album is like a surface level Marxist fantasy. They started painting their faces and embracing this clown gimmick because they felt that the whole world was laughing at them for being lower class. Like they were clowns, the butt of everybody's joke, and that the ghetto was their carnival. The whole album is about taking the ghetto, or the carnival, into rich neighborhoods to give them a taste of the crime and violence that they feel are caused and exploited by the same rich people that are laughing at them. Honestly, the concept is much much more interesting than the actual album though.

I think their culture and numetal speaks to an existential angst that working class people with no direction feel and don't fully understand that people outside of it just don't get. I get the joke is because gimmicks and style and dumbed down lyrics that are taken way too seriously comes off as just pure cringe to others, but sometimes the mockery just comes off a bit more like classism.

Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2069106)

I think we're more or less saying the same thing. I mean the working class aren't all as dumb as ICP but ICP aren't really THAT far off the mean. They're like the centrist lower class of intelligence of the human race. And that's why they're so big, not for any bizarre reason, but because they're an artistic representation of a far more significant portion of the human population than the human race is willing to admit because the human race likes to associate itself with Aristotle and Descartes even though they have no real reason to do so.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2069107)

I don't think most people, fans included, realize that ICP are meant to be enjoyed like a cheesey straight to dvd horror movie either. You don't go into Zombeavers expecting anything other than dumb fun.

Originally Posted by debaserr (Post 2069110)

Hol up